Here we have the earliest mention of sheds. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Hope the sheep are flourishing. >David John=20 As I have explained before on this ng, we do not harbour sheep on this farm.= They are vexatious animals and even if I did have them, I certainly= wouldn't flourish them, a practise which I believe to be untoward and= possibly even permanently damaging to said livestock. Jeff (3 sheds) Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) very decently enquired: >>"Nostalgia is not what it used to be". >A lovely thought, Jeff, but is it true you have three sheds? >DickJ Indeed, yes. There are three sheds proper, and seven sub-sheds. You don't happen to be related to "Two Sheds Jackson" do you ? Jeff Drabble=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) questions0 DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) had the very great kindness=20 to enquire: >About those sheds, Jeff? Did you get all three at the same time? >Or did you just add a shed when the other(s) got full up? >DickJ >Gentleman of leisure (and loving it). No, Dick. They are part of a grand plan of shed aquisition. Being a gentleman of the same persuasion as yourself, I view shedding as a wholesome leisure activity. Interestingly, contents are attracted to sheds and rapidly fill every little nook, thus one must always be constructing new sheds to stay satisfactorily ahead. It appears that the less useful the aspiring content, the greater the drawing power the shed exercises over it. I even have a shed where I keep the bits and pieces I use to make sheds. Shedding is a very absorbing pastime, falling as it does on the cusp between art and science. I'll say little more at this time, with it in mind that one either simply understands sheds, or one is bereft of shedness. There is no halfway. Here are some people who I believe have a sheddy feel about them ; Evans, Reese, John, Fowler, Patience. I think Lynch is more of a bedsit person and Muir and Simms seem a bit busy. (It is a time consuming pursuit, shedding.) The women are out. Sheds are a very blokey thing. Doug is a puzzle. Could a good size cardboard box be considered a small shed ? Jeff Drabble ( Warning : Contents of this post could be highly unoriginal and a bit stale. ) ------------------------------------------------ From: DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) questions0 In article <4ei96f$q4ucentral.co.nz> Jeff Drabble wrote: >Here are some people who I believe have a sheddy feel about them ; >Evans, Reese, John, Fowler, Patience. >I think Lynch is more of a bedsit person and Muir and Simms seem a=20 >bit busy. (It is a time consuming pursuit, shedding.) >The women are out. Sheds are a very blokey thing. Your're a bit new on s.c.b. You don't therefore remember that Sue=20 Spence had rather a nice shed in England. Unfortunately, owing to=20 the haste in which she had to flee Yorkshire, she had to leave it=20 behind. But there again, Sue is an unusual woman, in many ways. You're also wrong about Muir. Maxwell's ex-British army Mk. V-c=20 shed is a beauty. There is some reason to believe that it once=20 belonged to Kitchener himself. I can only *dream* of owning a shed one day.=20 Please tell us more about yours. I love to hear about them. DickJ Gentleman of leisure (and loving it). ---------------------------------------- From: Susan Spence raynet.com> questions0 DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: > >In article <4ei96f$q4ucentral.co.nz> Jeff Drabble wrote: >>Here are some people who I believe have a sheddy feel about them ; >>Evans, Reese, John, Fowler, Patience. >>I think Lynch is more of a bedsit person and Muir and Simms seem a=20 >bit >>busy. (It is a time consuming pursuit, shedding.) >>The women are out. Sheds are a very blokey thing. > >Your're a bit new on s.c.b. You don't therefore remember that Sue=20 >Spence had rather a nice shed in England. Unfortunately, owing to=20 >the haste in which she had to flee Yorkshire, she had to leave it=20 >behind. But there again, Sue is an unusual woman, in many ways. Technically, Dick, our shed is actually a barn. We had to leave it behind, the park service are a bit funny about these things. London Bridge can go all the way to the Arizona desert, but the Spence barn must stay in Wensleydale. Which, I hasten to say, is as it should be. =20 > >You're also wrong about Muir. Maxwell's ex-British army Mk. V-c=20 >shed is a beauty. There is some reason to believe that it once=20 >belonged to Kitchener himself. > Mk. V-c? What's that? >I can only *dream* of owning a shed one day.=20 Oh, poor thing. I am touched by your plight. I have pictures, and a scanner, hmmm. I feel a "Shed Page" coming on. ---------------------------------------------- From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) questions0 DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) kindly keyed in: >You're a bit new on s.c.b. You don't therefore remember that Sue=20 >Spence had rather a nice shed in England. Unfortunately, owing to=20 >the haste in which she had to flee Yorkshire, she had to leave it=20 >behind. But there again, Sue is an unusual woman, in many ways. Yes, well in hindsight, I should have read the signs. Sue knows a bit about sheep you know. She advised me that they eventually sink when you throw them in water, and upon test, I found her to be quite right. It's only a short step from there to sheds, no question. >You're also wrong about Muir. Maxwell's ex-British army Mk. V-c=20 >shed is a beauty. There is some reason to believe that it once=20 >belonged to Kitchener himself. Well, I'll be buggery bollocksed ! A Mk V-c eh ? They're about as rare as an intelligible Hendrix posting, and with provenance too. That crafty Muir certainly kept this one under his hat. A right little treasure and no mistake. I had a chance at a V-a at auction once, but I let it go. They just don't have the refinements of the V-c. >I can only *dream* of owning a shed one day. What's this ? Don't they have sheds in Murka ? No bloody culture, that lot. Surely you have a little space for one somewhere . You=20 could start a trend. Show them what the British are made of, eh ? =20 >Please tell us more about yours. I love to hear about them. This is very kind of you, Dick. I generally find people go a little=20 glassy-eyed when I speak of my sheds. No doubt they are just drifting off to that inner place, to dream, as you do, of proudly=20 owning a shed one day. Mine are resplendent in two shades of green; not everyones taste, but we like it. All but one I planned myself, and local artisans, committed to the erection of fine bespoke sheds, were commissioned for the task. I used an excellent 3D design programme for the plans. This has the attractive feature of enabling one to virtually wander the shed and check for flaws in ergonomics and general work-flow=20 patterns. =20 If I can help you further with plans, or more detailed descriptions, I would be only too delighted. Regards, Jeff Drabble. -------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Spence raynet.com> questions0 jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: > >Yes, well in hindsight, I should have read the signs. Sue knows a >bit about sheep you know. She advised me that they eventually sink >when you throw them in water, and upon test, I found her to be >quite right. It's only a short step from there to sheds, no question. Hay, waitaminute, you said you didn't have any sheep! How did you test the sheep-sinking hypothesis? Bet you took some from your neighbor, you rustling varmint. =20 > >>You're also wrong about Muir. Maxwell's ex-British army Mk. V-c=20 >>shed is a beauty. There is some reason to believe that it once=20 >>belonged to Kitchener himself. > >Well, I'll be buggery bollocksed !=20 Now that sounds painful. > >>I can only *dream* of owning a shed one day. > >What's this ? Don't they have sheds in Murka ?=20 Yes. Lots of them. The one I had when I lived in Arizona was fan-tastic. Full of black widow spiders though. >No bloody culture, Good heavens man, you attempt to make a slur out of a=20 highly positive item. Culture is a big waste of time. =20 Let's go windsurfing instead. > >If I can help you further with plans, or more detailed descriptions, >I would be only too delighted. > A shed description for Dick (complete with illustration): My brother-in-law has a lambing shed which is masonry block stuff at the bottom and boards separated by air spaces at the top. 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After that I needed a cold shower. You have to be careful=20 what you post on the net now in the US, Sue, Congress passed a law=20 about that sort of thing only a few days ago. DickJ Gentleman of leisure (and loving it). ---------------------------------------------------- From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) questions0 Susan Spence raynet.com> wrote: >Hay, waitaminute, you said you didn't have any sheep! How did you >test the sheep-sinking hypothesis? Bet you took some from your >neighbor, you rustling varmint. =20 Well, you're just not paying attention, are you, Sue ? This has all been covered in a previous post, but your bet is a good one and you have gone directly to the nub of the matter, however I should point out that in this country, one doesn't "rustle", one "aquires sundry free-ranging stock".=20 BTW, is your spelling of the word "hey", intended to convey an agrarian feel in your post.? Highly commendable. I reprint my previous post as follows ; Reprint begins------------------------------------------------- Susan Spence wrote: >>As I have explained before on this ng, we do not harbour sheep on this >>farm. =20 >Good thing too, Jeff, because you seem to be confused. Sheep might >float for short periods of time but after a while they get tired >and waterlogged and then sink. My God, you're right ! I tried it on one of my neighbours Southdowns, and it did. I've included you in my explanation to him as to its demise. Jeff Drabble Reprint ends------------------------------------------------------ Now please do try to keep up. I really can't make a habit of back- tracking like this. Carry on. Jeff Drabble -------------------------------------------------------- From: tmarsh1umbc.edu (marshallsay timothy) questions0 In article <776592850wnrkglc.demon.co.uk>, David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article: <3112A991.3E8Faudre.audre.com> Peter J Lusby= >writes: >>=20 >> Any suggestions on amenities and features without which no shed should be >> will be greatly appreciated. >>=20 > >Handmaidens; jacuzzi; circular bed; mirrored ceiling... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ How does it go? "I woke up, and to my horror, here comes a naked= parachutist" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jaeukix.netcom.com(Jennifer Henson ) questions0 >>> Any suggestions on amenities and features without which no shed=20 >>> should be will be greatly appreciated. =20 Bill and Ben=20 =20 ........And possibly little Weeeeeed, if it's unisex. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) questions0 In article <4f88hl$sd7ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> jaeukix.netcom.com(Jennifer= Henson ) writes: >>>> Any suggestions on amenities and features without which no shed=20 >>>> should be will be greatly appreciated. A tin of assorted nails, screws, bolts, nuts, and washers: preferbaly 80% of= =20 these should be damaged in some way and all should be at least a bit rusty. A box of spanners that don't fit anything you might need a spanner for. A bicycle inner tube with not less than two patches which mysteriously=20 failed to fix the puncture properly 5 tins of paint, 1/4 full, and with drips positioned so that you can't read= =20 the brush cleaning instructions. If you can remember which bit of the house= =20 they were used on they don't count. A 2 year old copy of Exchange & Mart -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) questions0 zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >In article <4f88hl$sd7ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> jaeukix.netcom.com(Jennifer= Henson ) writes: >>>>> Any suggestions on amenities and features without which no shed=20 >>>>> should be will be greatly appreciated. >A tin of assorted nails, screws, bolts, nuts, and washers: preferbaly 80%= of=20 >these should be damaged in some way and all should be at least a bit rusty. >A box of spanners that don't fit anything you might need a spanner for. >A bicycle inner tube with not less than two patches which mysteriously=20 >failed to fix the puncture properly >5 tins of paint, 1/4 full, and with drips positioned so that you can't read= =20 >the brush cleaning instructions. If you can remember which bit of the= house=20 >they were used on they don't count. >A 2 year old copy of Exchange & Mart David, whilst your list is both helpful and comprehensive, it does not correctly address Jennifer's question, inasmuch as you have supplied nomenclatural information and not the amenity and embellishment information which she requires. BTW apologies if my participation is somewhat erratic, but postings to and fro appear to be taking up to a week at present. Let us continue though, in the face of this adversity, to probe the mysterious depths of shedding. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jaeukix.netcom.com(Jen) questions0 In <4fji2j$bfucentral.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) writes:=20 >zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >>In article <4f88hl$sd7ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> =20 jaeukix.netcom.com(Jennifer Henson ) writes: >>>>>> Any suggestions on amenities and features without which no shed=20 >>>>>> should be will be greatly appreciated Since you, Jeff, are shed monitor, I have to confess that, as has been pointed out, this was not my post. It was Peter Lusby's. I merely tried to sweep up a bit in the shed and inadvertently consigned his name to the incinerator, instead of recycling it. Fortunately, the man at the bottom of the garden has yet to succeed in his attempts to have the "Welcome to Shedding - a smoke-free authority" signs removed and I have managed to retrieve the extract. Thanks to the many useless implements lying about here, I have successfully reassembled it below, for the benefit of future contributors to this thread:- .......................cut here.................................... In a previous article pjlaudre.audre.com (Peter J. Lusby) wrote: > Any suggestions on amenities and features without which no shed=20 > should be will be greatly appreciated - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) questions0 In article <4ejnvh$5e2news-e2a.gnn.com> DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson)= writes: >I can only *dream* of owning a shed one day.=20 OK, time to confess: How many of us, when we were children, used to see the ads for sheds in the= =20 papers and spent happy hours^H^H^H^H^Hminutes daydreaming about living in=20 one? -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) questions0 zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >OK, time to confess: >How many of us, when we were children, used to see the ads for sheds in the= =20 >papers and spent happy hours^H^H^H^H^Hminutes daydreaming about living in= =20 >one? Ah, a true sheddish type, attracted to sheds from his earliest days. As I said, the archetypal shedster is born with these leanings; you just have it, or you don't. You'll feel much better now that you're out of the tool closet. I do hope you had a shed to house the motorcycle, David. Indeed, I believe you may have needed one just for the hairdo. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - From: orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) questions0 William Sheldon Simms (gt8624aprism.gatech.edu) wrote: : In article <4esi1r$lupcentral.co.nz>, : Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> wrote: : >zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: : > : >>OK, time to confess: : >>How many of us, when we were children, used to see the ads for sheds in= the=20 : >>papers and spent happy hours^H^H^H^H^Hminutes daydreaming about living= in=20 : >>one? : > : >Ah, a true sheddish type, attracted to sheds from his earliest days. : >As I said, the archetypal shedster is born with these leanings; you : >just have it, or you don't. You'll feel much better now that you're : >out of the tool closet. : OK, when I hear the word 'shed' I think of a dingy hut (perhaps made of : metal) in which you keep your lawnmower. Is this what you mean, or is : your shed something called by another name in the US? : -Sheldon No, that's it. A bag of compost in the corner and a stack of plant pots make attractive additions to any shed. Sometimes a box of old newspapers intended for recycling one day may be used, and the walls may be decorated by hanging gardening implements on rusty nails. An old hurricane lamp and some old gnomes are other typical items to go with the lawnmower. I wonder if that "outbuilding" belonging to Doug in which some cannabis was found was a shed. Rgds, 'Renegade Kill-filed Wrong Info Brit' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> questions0 gt8624aprism.gatech.edu (William Sheldon Simms) wrote: sni : --=20 : W. Sheldon Simms III : gt8624aprism.gatech.edu <- Note New e-mail address : Newt's Friend / Vote for Phil / End the welfare state now! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: gt8624aprism.gatech.edu (William Sheldon Simms) questions0 In article <4fae5f$df9lonweb1.lehman.com>, Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> wrote: >gt8624aprism.gatech.edu (William Sheldon Simms) wrote: > >snip Well that was a stunning reply... BTW, I don't have a shed, but my father does. He has a *two-level* shed and a small covered pavilion. He keeps old paint, nails, a table saw, lawnmower, etc in the bottom level of the shed; old books, broken appliances, an old desk, some 1950's typewriters, etc. in the top level of the shed; and a Ford tractor and some bales of hay under cover in the pavilion. How's that? -Sheldon --=20 W. Sheldon Simms III gt8624aprism.gatech.edu <- Note New e-mail address Newt's Friend / Vote for Phil / End the welfare state now! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Peter H. M. Brooks" psyche.demon.co.uk> questions0 In article <4fappm$94kacmex.gatech.edu> gt8624aprism.gatech.edu "William Sheldon Simms" writes: > BTW, I don't have a shed, but my father does. He has a *two-level* shed > and a small covered pavilion. He keeps old paint, nails, a table saw, > lawnmower, etc in the bottom level of the shed; old books, broken > appliances, an old desk, some 1950's typewriters, etc. in the top level > of the shed; and a Ford tractor and some bales of hay under cover in > the pavilion. How's that? >=20 You can't cheat at this. Your father doesn't have a shed, what you describe is clearly a barn. --=20 Peter H. M. Brooks - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) questions0 "Peter H. M. Brooks" psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote: >You can't cheat at this. Your father doesn't have a shed, what you >describe is clearly a barn. Look, I think Mr Brooks is right. Shediness, though possibly genetically handed down, cannot be aquired by association or inheritance, be it family or no. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) questions0 btw, anybody see that so-called shed in the recent 'Gardening from Scratch'= =20 series? It had a veranda! A bungalow, I'd call it. AND they managed to=20 move it without it falling down: now what kind of a shed is that? Pull the= =20 other one! -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: tmarsh1umbc.edu (marshallsay timothy) questions0 In article fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, Dave Budd fs1.mcc.ac.uk> wrote: >btw, anybody see that so-called shed in the recent 'Gardening from Scratch'= =20 >series? It had a veranda! A bungalow, I'd call it. AND they managed to= =20 >move it without it falling down: now what kind of a shed is that? Pull the= =20 What I would like to know is whether there is a farm in the UK which breeds those giant, black, hairy spiders which spin huge webs thick enough to use= as a trampoline. Everyone I know with a shed had these, including my father,= whose shed has an old, cast iron sign threatening to fine trespassers 2 pounds. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: T M Joyce durham.ac.uk> questions0 Dave Budd (zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk) wrote: : btw, anybody see that so-called shed in the recent 'Gardening from= Scratch'=20 : series? It had a veranda! A bungalow, I'd call it. AND they managed to= =20 : move it without it falling down: now what kind of a shed is that? Pull= the=20 : other one! There is apparently some sort of shed article in the March issue of=20 Loaded magazine. Haven't read it (the magazine - if I had the shed article= =20 would obbviously have been my top priority) but if I do I will let you=20 know if it's worthwhile. -- ttfn, Tom durham.ac.uk > Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun, but I have=20 never been able to make out the numbers. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) questions0 gt8624aprism.gatech.edu (William Sheldon Simms) wrote: >BTW, I don't have a shed, but my father does. He has a *two-level* shed >and a small covered pavilion. He keeps old paint, nails, a table saw, >lawnmower, etc in the bottom level of the shed; old books, broken >appliances, an old desk, some 1950's typewriters, etc. in the top level >of the shed; and a Ford tractor and some bales of hay under cover in >the pavilion. How's that? Well the pavilion is out for a start, and I have reservations about multi-level sheds. (Lateral extensions are fine.) It sounds a bit too grand, which is one of the reasons the pavilion is not acceptable. The answer to this will obviously lie in the lack of quality in construction and materials. (See faqette.) =20 Jeff Drabble. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> questions0 jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: >Here are some people who I believe have a sheddy feel about them ; >Evans, Reese, John, Fowler, Patience. >I think Lynch is more of a bedsit person and Muir and Simms seem a bit >busy. (It is a time consuming pursuit, shedding.) >The women are out. Sheds are a very blokey thing. >Doug is a puzzle. Could a good size cardboard box be considered a >small shed ? Yes it's true, I do have several sheds, Not alas at my London residence,=20 I have to wait till I get home to the hills and valleys of my native=20 Perthshire to get the true shed experience. I have Two sheds, a normal work-a-day type and one for sunday best. In=20 addition I have a rather nice gazebo, in the shade of a mature chestnut=20 tree. Ed ------------------------------------------------------------ |Ed Fowler, Information Systems & Resources Co-ordinator | | Lehman Brothers International (Europe) Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------ |All views expressed are strictly my own and do not reflect| | the past, present or future views of my employers. | ------------------------------------------------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) Re: Sheds Dick Jackson w: & Jeff Drabble w: & & Here are some people who I believe have a sheddy feel about them ; & & Evans, Reese, John, Fowler, Patience. & & I think Lynch is more of a bedsit person and Muir and Simms seem a bit & & busy. (It is a time consuming pursuit, shedding.) & & The women are out. Sheds are a very blokey thing. & & Doug is a puzzle. Could a good size cardboard box be considered a & & small shed ? &=20 & You're also wrong about Muir. Maxwell's ex-British army Mk. V-c & shed is a beauty. There is some reason to believe that it once & belonged to Kitchener himself. When I was much younger we had a Nissen hut back in the UK. My family made a lot of money cutting pit props at one stage, so we had more than our fair share of sheds of various types, including a huge workshop where my grandad used to keep his traction engine, and his 'Alvis' which seems to have been about the same size. The winters in Northumberland are quite savage so we used to leave the door of the Nissen open in winter and the deer would come out of the wood behind the house and stay in the hut until morning. We used to leave them leftovers, collected from the local cafe. We had a few bee hives, but these cannot truly be considered as "outbuildings" in the Dougian sense since they were already colonised by bees, who like other monarchist societies did not tolerate intruders, nor did we keep drugs in them. If anyone is interested I will scan the photos of the sheds and traction engines and send them to interested parties. You have probably decided that I am just an overprivileged brat so I will also to tell you that grandfather also had a set of sure legs and a bulldozer, though the latter had to be sent away since it was worrying the sheep. & I can only *dream* of owning a shed one day. Perhaps you could get an early Toyota, which is very similar, and much cheaper to run. I got a letter from my ex boss some years ago in which he admitted to keeping chickens in an old Simca van I sold him. & Please tell us more about yours. I love to hear about them. Certainly. We had a greenhouse as well, and a stable in the wood where I used to practise the violin. It was a dark and gloomy place and covered by a thick layer of pine needles, which provided a suitable insulation of the various scratchings and scrapings I made with the violin that I was led to believe were the prelude to a genuine melody. My mother said there were owls in the stable but I cannot recall seeing one, but it seemed the kind of place to find owls or bats. Having read Alan Garner's "The Owl Service" I found it unbearably creepy and thus the violin (originally belonging to grandfather) was returned to its place on top of the wardrobe, along with the books of Northumbrian airs I had been attempting to play. & DickJ &=20 & Gentleman of leisure (and loving it). For any brit interested in knowing exactly the position of these wonders get out your map of Northern England and draw a line West from Sunderland and North from Consett. I spent much of my early life in the area where the two lines cross. It is extremely rural, isolated, and beautiful. I remember we often did not=20 get one car driving by per day, and the hunt used to come through the end of the garden, sometimes pursued by a fox. Rgds, 'Renegade Nostalgo Brit' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) Re: Re:A shed thread Dave Budd writes: & In article <4ejnvh$5e2news-e2a.gnn.com> DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson)= writes: & & >I can only *dream* of owning a shed one day. & & OK, time to confess: & How many of us, when we were children, used to see the ads for sheds in= the & papers and spent happy hours^H^H^H^H^Hminutes daydreaming about living in & one? When I lived in Northumberland we had many sheds hence I was somewhat= spoiled on the shed-yearning front. When we moved south we had to leave our sheds behind but I built one of my own. Even then I did not have a chance to live in it. It was not until many years later that I got the chance, after= moving to London. However, even though accomodations were somewhat cramped, I considered myself well off compared to the destitute socialists living in old cardboard boxes and crates on Kingsway. For some reason= Orwell in his otherwise excellent "Down and Out in London and Skelmersdale" makes= no mention of these fetid dwellings occupied by entire families of left wingers who have no other option than to sit typing marxist propaganda into antique ZX81s and Low end Mac rantStations and depositing this defeatist effluent into the pride of Usenet, s.c.b. Rgds, 'Renegade Shedo Brit' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <4em8i3$d70news3.cts.com>, Maxwell Muir cts.com> writes >Dick Jackson w: >& Jeff Drabble w: >& & Here are some people who I believe have a sheddy feel about them ; >& & Evans, Reese, John, Fowler, Patience. >& & I think Lynch is more of a bedsit person=20 Dick wrote that? I missed it. I'm outraged. (Edith Evans voice: A BEDsit?) --=20 John Lynch - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: sueshellx.best.com (Susan Spence) John Lynch (jlynchldta.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article <4em8i3$d70news3.cts.com>, Maxwell Muir cts.com> writes : >Dick Jackson w: : >& Jeff Drabble w: : >& & Here are some people who I believe have a sheddy feel about them ; : >& & Evans, Reese, John, Fowler, Patience. : >& & I think Lynch is more of a bedsit person=20 : Dick wrote that? I missed it. I'm outraged. (Edith Evans voice: A : BEDsit?) No, dimmy, Drabble wrote it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> > In article <4eo1s1$4ejshellx.best.com>, Susan Spence shellx.best.com> writes > >No, dimmy, Drabble wrote it. > Well now I'm really upset. I thought Drabble and I got on ok. The man's a perfect rotter --=20 John Lynch - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) In article ldta.demon.co.uk> John Lynch wrote: >Well now I'm really upset. I thought Drabble and I got on ok. =20 The >man's a perfect rotter Ah! I was afraid of this. Talk of sheds always seems to expose=20 deeply held feelings of anguish and hostility. I suggest we declare=20 a moratorium on this sensitive subject. DickJ (Jeff, if you're listening, I'm now sorry I started this, but=20 your 'three sheds' boast was too intriguing.) Gentleman of leisure (and loving it) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: >In article ldta.demon.co.uk> John Lynch wrote: >>Well now I'm really upset. I thought Drabble and I got on ok. =20 >>The man's a perfect rotter >Ah! I was afraid of this. Talk of sheds always seems to expose=20 >deeply held feelings of anguish and hostility. I suggest we declare=20 >a moratorium on this sensitive subject. No. No moratorium. There is a conspiracy afoot here. I believe Sue is attempting to drive a wedge between Lynch and myself,in an effort to undermine our previously cordial relationship. I have only seen John's post through this and Sue's post, it not having appeared with my server, and he does not appear to have seen my posts on this matter. What does this smell of ? Conspiracy, that's what. The very air we breath is heavy with it and I can not even be sure that I am authoring this post. John, understand that, with this medium, we can only work with information provided, in our assessment of others. In your case, I had the following;=20 =20 Bald Hairy body Eats oily fish suppers Denigrates Savignon Blanc Observes genital ablutions of others Now , given this, I think you will agree that this sounds more bedsit than shed. You will understand that I am not necessarily saying that's what you are; I just have little other information to work with. If you do indeed own a shed, I believe a blokey sort of rebonding can occur. On my part, I am going to arrange to send you a bottle of fine NZ Savignon Blanc from the vineyard next to my farm, ( none of your froggy bilge) and some of that excellent South Australian ale we have spoken of previously. We will speak of this later by email. Don't let Sue drive the wedge. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> >In article <4eo1s1$4ejshellx.best.com>, Susan Spence >shellx.best.com> writes >> >>No, dimmy, Drabble wrote it. >> > >Well now I'm really upset. I thought Drabble and I got on ok. The >man's a perfect rotter And not so much of the dimmy, thank you. Nerve --=20 John Lynch. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: sueshellx.best.com (Susan Spence) John Lynch (jlynchldta.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article <4erlrt$rvperinews.ericsson.se>, Susan Spence : raynet.com> writes : >I dunno about that John. There was a significant time-delay : >before your reaction... : Bum, botty, knickers, poo I know you are but what am i! Neener neener. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) David John (davidkglc.demon.co.uk) wrote: : Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> writes: : >=20 : > Any suggestions on amenities and features without which no shed should= be : > will be greatly appreciated. : >=20 : Handmaidens; jacuzzi; circular bed; mirrored ceiling.. Bombay fornicator . . . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) As a result of the alarming amount of confusion regarding sheds, I feel duty-bound to set down here a distillation of my understandings in the matter of shedding, as we know it today. Some of the items raised will be contentious, but there is room for discussion, so let us remain calm and have no more of the capricious exhibitions displayed by our more angst-ridden posters. The questions below represent a fair=20 cross-section of those asked of me by both posters and emailers in this matter. These questions and their answers, should, with your assistance and input, provide an understanding of sheds which will be seen as a triumph of glistering clarity. As this is not actually a newsgroup in its own right, this presentation will be referred to not as a FAQ, but as a faqette. 1. Q: What is a shed? A: A slight or temporary erection built to shelter something ; an out-building. (Ref ; The "King's English" Dictionary. Pg 795. Published 1942 by Books of Dignity and Service Ltd.) This esteemed tome shall be deemed to be the official reference for all matters shedish. 2. Q: How do I know if I am a sheddy person ? A: If you are, you will know. If much of your life has been spent with the uneasy feeling that you are not quite like other people and if you are inclined to hoarding useless and broken items, coupled with an inexplicable urge to find shelter for these items, you could be sheddy. Budd has=20 divulged secret childhood yearnings for a shed. This is a powerful indicator. 3. Q: 'Is Doug's "outbuilding" a shed ?' asks Muir. A: Possibly, Max, possibly. 4. Q: "Is a gazebo a shed ?" asks Fowler. A: No. 5. Q: Several people have asked if a Nissen hut is a shed. A: Special conditions apply in this case. Slick, professionally built jobs; no. Tack-ups from materials at hand; yes. 6. Q: "Who said I was a bedsit type?" asked Lynch. A: He was off topic and drifted further to describe his fish supper and his consumption of a lesser froggy wine. Not a shedster. He also said, "I am outraged". 7. Q: "What is a Mk V-c?" asked Spence. A: Well, only the most coveted of all sheds, that's all. Muir has one with provenance that implicates Kitchener in its construction. The Mk V-c is the archetypal shed with such features as; a knurled door handle for ease of operation when you have slime on your hands; a very small window with pre-installed grime to reduce light ingress to a minimum; extra 4" nails on the studs to improve hanging capacity; downwardly adjustable headroom to ensure that no owner shall be able to stand fully upright. 8. Q: Will I require a building permit ? A: No. Your local building inspectors are marplots and will require such things as plans and safety features.=20 Eschew regulations. 9. Q: Does a tree-house count ? A: Only inasmuch as they can be seen as a precursor to true shedness and are generally the outward manifestation of a young lad's desire to eventually become fully ensheded. 10. Q: What materials should I use ? A: It is generally considered good form to select only those materials know to be esculent to a wide range of insects and fungi. Used has preference over new. 11. Q: What exterior decoration might I undertake ? A: None. Dilapidation is the hallmark of fine sheds.=20 Decorative sedulousness is undesirable. Paint, finials, fretwork and the like, are to be included in the nomenclature of contents and one should never consider using them as embellishments. The judicious application of runes is acceptable. 12. Q: What can I put in my shed ? A: The key to this is uselessness. If there is a possibility that the item could have a future use, it should not be consigned to the shed, the shelter of which must only be offered to the shoddy, worthless, rejected and unusable items in your possession. This faqette is a work in progress and will only achieve its full usefulness with your input and opinion. May you be blessed with an exundation of shedding pleasures.=20 Hope this helps Jeff Drabble. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article: <4fb74j$3p9central.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble)= =20 produces his shed faquette -- undoubtedly a labour of love. >=20 Thank you, Jeff. My understanding of the, hitherto esoteric, subject of= sheds has undergone a quantum leap. [Pedants please note: I am using this= expression in its colloquial sense]. After much thought and consideration, I feel I would be justified in submitting a proposal to whatever the relevant authority is [are?] calling themselves this week to have the subject included as an "A" level option. Football [soccer for our American friends] has just been authorised for "A" level study, so I feel I have a good case. Would you support me in this? If the subject was to be widened to include "the incidence of green wellies in antipodean sheds", we might even be able to argue that it could form the core of a doctorial thesis. One point not covered in the faquette: does a cardboard box in Kingsway qualify as a shed? My guess is that it would be disqualified if free-standing. On the other hand, Q12 of your faquette [reproduced here] 12. Q: What can I put in my shed ? A: The key to this is uselessness. If there is a possibility that the item could have a future use, it should not be consigned to the shed, the shelter of which must only be offered to the shoddy, worthless, rejected and unusable items in your possession. suggests that it _would_ qualify on the grounds that its content was= useless. No doubt Frank will wish to comment on this aspect -- but you are the= final arbiter of fact.=20 In conclusion, I should like to thank you, Jeff, for having the courage to= initiate a discussion on what must be the most important issue of our times. Kind regards David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) David John kglc.demon.co.uk> kindly wrote: >Thank you, Jeff. My understanding of the, hitherto esoteric, subject of= sheds >has undergone a quantum leap. [Pedants please note: I am using this= expression >in its colloquial sense]. No, please, I consider this to be my duty to humanity.=20 >After much thought and consideration, I feel I would be justified in >submitting a proposal to whatever the relevant authority is [are?] >calling themselves this week to have the subject included as an >"A" level option. Football [soccer for our American friends] has >just been authorised for "A" level study, so I feel I have a good >case. Would you support me in this? Whilst the sentiments are noble, I am always concerned when subjects of such a sensitive nature are handed to academia for dissection and explanation. >If the subject was to be widened to include "the incidence of green >wellies in antipodean sheds", we might even be able to argue that >it could form the core of a doctorial thesis. The above reservations still apply, and I would point out that the incidence of green wellies in Antipodean sheds is regrettably low. The market in this part of the world appears to have been monopolized by a company producing black specimens with red toe-caps. >One point not covered in the faquette: does a cardboard box >in Kingsway qualify as a shed?=20 This matter was considered in my initial post on sheds, but discontinued owing to a lack of confirmation on details relating to that box. >My guess is that it would be disqualified if free-standing. On the other > hand, Q12 of your faquette [reproduced here] > 12. Q: What can I put in my shed ? > A: The key to this is uselessness. If there is a > possibility that the item could have a future use, it should > not be consigned to the shed, the shelter of which must only > be offered to the shoddy, worthless, rejected and unusable > items in your possession. >suggests that it _would_ qualify on the grounds that its content was= useless. >No doubt Frank will wish to comment on this aspect -- but you are the= final arbiter of fact. I am sure you offer this in jest, David. You see, I like Doug, and I feel he has an important place in this ng. That does not mean to say I persuaded by what he has to say, but on those occasions when he is absent, I'm sure you'll agree, we miss him. >In conclusion, I should like to thank you, Jeff, for having the courage to= initiate >a discussion on what must be the most important issue of our times. It has become my life's work, David. Thank you. Kind regards, Jeff Drabble. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article: <4fri0q$ckmcentral.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble)= writes: >=20 > David John kglc.demon.co.uk> kindly wrote: >=20 > >Thank you, Jeff. My understanding of the, hitherto esoteric, subject of= sheds > >has undergone a quantum leap. [Pedants please note: I am using this= expression > >in its colloquial sense]. >=20 > No, please, I consider this to be my duty to humanity. You, Sir, deserve a Nobel Prize =20 >=20 > >After much thought and consideration, I feel I would be justified in > >submitting a proposal to whatever the relevant authority is [are?] > >calling themselves this week to have the subject included as an > >"A" level option. Football [soccer for our American friends] has > >just been authorised for "A" level study, so I feel I have a good > >case. Would you support me in this? >=20 > Whilst the sentiments are noble, I am always concerned when subjects > of such a sensitive nature are handed to academia for dissection and > explanation. I bow to your greater wisdom and knowledge. >=20 > >If the subject was to be widened to include "the incidence of green > >wellies in antipodean sheds", we might even be able to argue that > >it could form the core of a doctorial thesis. >=20 > The above reservations still apply, and I would point out that the > incidence of green wellies in Antipodean sheds is regrettably low. > The market in this part of the world appears to have been monopolized > by a company producing black specimens with red toe-caps. This has come as somewhat of a shock to me. I can only hope that such an example of the modern propensity for "designer" style over= functionality will not spread to the UK. A thought: could this be a mutation of the= green wellie caused by the recent French atomic tests in your area? >=20 > >One point not covered in the faquette: does a cardboard box > >in Kingsway qualify as a shed?=20 >=20 > This matter was considered in my initial post on sheds, but > discontinued owing to a lack of confirmation on details relating to > that box. I understand that events have overtaken the need for this to be included. Apparently, the gentleman in question has emigrated to Waterloo where, I am told, the accommodation is of a more permanent nature. >=20 > >My guess is that it would be disqualified if free-standing. On the other > > hand, Q12 of your faquette [reproduced here] > > 12. Q: What can I put in my shed ? > > A: The key to this is uselessness. If there is a > > possibility that the item could have a future use, it should > > not be consigned to the shed, the shelter of which must only > > be offered to the shoddy, worthless, rejected and unusable > > items in your possession. > >suggests that it _would_ qualify on the grounds that its content was= useless. > >No doubt Frank will wish to comment on this aspect -- but you are the= final arbiter of=20 fact. >=20 > I am sure you offer this in jest, David. You see, I like Doug, and I > feel he has an important place in this ng. That does not mean to say > I persuaded by what he has to say, but on those occasions when he is > absent, I'm sure you'll agree, we miss him. Strangely enough, Jeff, I agree with your sentiments. The first post I ever= read on this ng was from Doug. All his posts have brightened up my life [not, of course, to= the extent of your incomparable treatises on sheds and their importance to world peace]= and those of my family. I rarely agree with his sentiments but, unlike many others, he= has the courage=20 of his convictions. I also feel he exercises admirable restraint in the= face of much=20 piss-taking -- not least, from me. For this he is to be commended. >=20 > >In conclusion, I should like to thank you, Jeff, for having the courage= to initiate > >a discussion on what must be the most important issue of our times. >=20 > It has become my life's work, David. Thank you. Keep it up. Kind regards David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> I am sure you offer this in jest, David. You see, I like Doug, and I >> feel he has an important place in this ng. That does not mean to say >> I persuaded by what he has to say, but on those occasions when he is >> absent, I'm sure you'll agree, we miss him. >Strangely enough, Jeff, I agree with your sentiments. The first post I= ever read on this ng >was from Doug. All his posts have brightened up my life [not, of course,= to the extent >of your incomparable treatises on sheds and their importance to world= peace] and those >of my family. I rarely agree with his sentiments but, unlike many others,= he has the courage=20 >of his convictions. I also feel he exercises admirable restraint in the= face of much=20 >piss-taking -- not least, from me. For this he is to be commended. I adore Doug. Ann - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) Ann Weiner (annwseanet.com) wrote: : David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: : : > : >> I am sure you offer this in jest, David. You see, I like Doug, and I : >> feel he has an important place in this ng. That does not mean to say : >> I persuaded by what he has to say, but on those occasions when he is : >> absent, I'm sure you'll agree, we miss him. : >Strangely enough, Jeff, I agree with your sentiments. The first post I= ever read on this ng : >was from Doug. All his posts have brightened up my life [not, of course,= to the extent : >of your incomparable treatises on sheds and their importance to world= peace] and those : >of my family. I rarely agree with his sentiments but, unlike many others,= he has the courage=20 : >of his convictions. I also feel he exercises admirable restraint in the= face of much=20 : >piss-taking -- not least, from me. For this he is to be commended. : I adore Doug. : Ann I too wish Doug a strange kind of happiness. Death. As for you people, I regard you as scum. Jeff, pls do not send me any more email. I will of course continue to combat his lies and misrepresentation of our history, and pray that his support for the IRA does no further harm. "Renegade Kill-filed Wrong Info Brit" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) Redondo Beach pier) In article <667278832wnrkglc.demon.co.uk> David John wrote: (to Max Muir, of San Diego) >It is you who are scum [and, therefore, a hypocrite].=20 >My proof for this assertion can be seen above. >No matter how much you disagree with Doug, you go beyond the pale=20 by=20 >wishing him dead. I warned this group a few days ago about shedism's tendency to=20 strip the thin veneer of civilisation from us. Its all there in=20 Freud's book*: talk of sheds somehow has the effect of bypassing=20 the fore-brain and registering directly with the id, the location=20 of our primordial beastly nature. I suggest we all agree to discuss=20 Northern Ireland instead, before it is too late. DickJ *Sheds, Dreams and the Oedipus Bomplex. A bad day on the golf course is far preferable to a good day at work. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Melissa Porter interpath.com> David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article: <4fvsfn$5iknews3.cts.com> orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) writes: >>=20 >>=20 >> I too wish Doug a strange kind of happiness. >>=20 >> Death. >>=20 >> As for you people, I regard you as scum. Jeff, pls do not send me any= more >> email. I will of course continue to combat his lies and= misrepresentation >> of our history, and pray that his support for the IRA does no further= harm. >>=20 > > >Mr Muir > >As most of your post [snipped - not relevant to this point] quoted an= earlier post of mine, I=20 >am assuming you are including me as one of the scum. > >If this is so, please post your proof for this assertion or withdraw it= unreservedly. > >It is you who are scum [and, therefore, a hypocrite].=20 >My proof for this assertion can be seen above. >No matter how much you disagree with Doug, you go beyond the pale by=20 >wishing him dead. > >This thread can fairly be described as being lighthearted - hopefully >enjoyed by many as a change from some of the turgid subjects often=20 >seen on this ng. Why did you feel you had to inject a note of seriousness >into it? Argue with Doug on a more appropriate thread. > >Now, can we please get back to the more interesting and stimulating >topic of sheds? > >David John > >PS: For any Americans reading this, and Mr Muir's post, please do not= judge all of us >by one renegade. > > I don't judge all of you by any of the renegades. And I'm encouraged that not all of you judge Americans by some of the embarrassing=20 garbage some of us post here. Please keep this thread going; I'm sharing it with an English friend who is really enjoying it. Melissa ---------- The fundamentals of being human don't change with the labels we apply to them. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Mary Christensen bmi.net> I concur wholeheartedly with Melissa. This is a wonderful, non-combative=20 thread and I have enjoyed it. It brings back memories of a well-loved shed of mine....unfortunately=20 lost to a fire. Well, a shed of memory is better than no shed at all,=20 even if it was in the US. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: davidterminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) Mary Christensen bmi.net> writes: >I concur wholeheartedly with Melissa. This is a wonderful, non-combative= =20 >thread and I have enjoyed it. > >It brings back memories of a well-loved shed of mine....unfortunately=20 >lost to a fire. Well, a shed of memory is better than no shed at all,=20 >even if it was in the US. I had a "shed-full" of beer one Friday night and was a bit ill (all over the place, actually) the following day. Does this count? --=20 I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't= know. Mark Twain. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) >In article <4gab6a$6njbigjohn.bmi.net>, Mary Christensen > bmi.net> writes: >>I concur wholeheartedly with Melissa. This is a wonderful,=20 non-combative=20 >>thread and I have enjoyed it. Not so non-combative. There have been several outbreaks of emotion=20 and hostility, and only recently I myself found myself chiding=20 Ms. No-Sheds for dissembling about her sheddish prowess. I have been further studying Freud's work on sheds, and his=20 discovery that the subject of sheds has the effect of cutting through our normal inhibitions, and leads to a release of=20 pent up feelings, often of rage and jealousy. It was a shed, in fact, which lead to Freud's celebrated=20 split with C.G. Jung. One night, Freud phoned Jung and=20 invited him to come over to see his new shed. It was a=20 lousy evening, but Jung bundled up anyway and went around to=20 Freud's digs. "Look at this, Geoff, isn't it a beauty," asked Freud. Freud=20 always called Jung* by his second name, because he knew Jung hated his first name. "That's not a shed, that's only a cigar box, you bloody fool," shouted Jung -- and the two men were never subsequently on=20 civil terms. It was this incident which gave rise to Freud's famous saying "A cigar box is never *just* a cigar box." In his autobiography Freud claimed that he whipped this aphorism out on the spot, but Jung let everyone know that Freud thought it up later, after he had had plenty of time to come up with a smart riposte. My study of the psychology of sheds continues. I will let you all know what I find out. DickJ * (I hope no one has confused this C.G. (Cecil Geoffrey) Jung=20 with the other, more famous one, whose portraits of Austrian=20 royalty and the Viennese gentry still hang in the Shoenbrum=20 palace). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) davidterminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) wrote: > I had a "shed-full" of beer one Friday night and was a bit ill >(all over the place, actually) the following day. Does this count? Only if you can sit in it contentedly for hours. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Jeremy Barker jbark.demon.co.uk> In article <4gab6a$6njbigjohn.bmi.net> paradoxbmi.net "Mary Christensen" writes: > I concur wholeheartedly with Melissa. This is a wonderful, non-combative= =20 > thread and I have enjoyed it. Agreed =20 The Shed Thread Shed Shed it's a fabulous shed "Beautiful,lovely", or so she said. There is wire and tacks, empty tins and the like, Lawnmowers and the occasional bike. There are boxes, a hose, a shoe last -who cares- Rusty tools, flower pots, and broken down chairs; Not to mention computers and papers and books. There is glorious rubbish wherever one looks. But, one asks oneself, what is it for, As there's not even room to stand on the floor. Some people think its an object of fun; For others it's where there is work to be done. For some it's an object of Freudian sin; For others a place only Daddy goes in. Some people think it,s an object to hide, With bushes and flowers that grow up the side. And though in the winter it gets rather cold, It's a place to retire to when you get old. Finally, searching the thread through, we found It's likely to end being burnt to the ground. =20 --=20 Jeremy Barker at home in Grimsby - even Scrooge could be reformed.=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Mary Christensen bmi.net> Jeremy Barker jbark.demon.co.uk> wrote: > The Shed Thread > Shed Shed it's a fabulous shed > "Beautiful,lovely", or so she said. a lovely poem snipped a bit... >=09 Finally, searching the thread through, we found > It's likely to end being burnt to the ground. > =20 nice poem Jeremy...and oh, so true...a *&(!#$% arsonist....burnt my=20 lovely shed...hence my special interest in this thread. I should hope this thread goes on and on....in it's own gentle way.=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> Mary Christensen bmi.net> wrote: >I concur wholeheartedly with Melissa. This is a wonderful,non-combative=20 >thread and I have enjoyed it. > >It brings back memories of a well-loved shed of mine....unfortunately=20 >lost to a fire. Well, a shed of memory is better than no shed at all,=20 >even if it was in the US. > RIP, it is a sad day when you lose your shed, but life goes on, there are=20 other sheds to have, other collections of baffling tat to ponder over, you= =20 have a heritage to uphold. Ed ------------------------------------------------------------ |Ed Fowler, Information Systems & Resources Co-ordinator | | Lehman Brothers International (Europe) Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------ | * VOTE FOR UK.REC.SHEDS * VOTE FOR UK.REC.SHEDS * | ------------------------------------------------------------ |All views expressed are strictly my own and do not reflect| | the past, present or future views of my employers. | ------------------------------------------------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) wrote: >I too wish Doug a strange kind of happiness. Death. >As for you people, I regard you as scum. Jeff, pls do not send me any more >email. I will of course continue to combat his lies and misrepresentation >of our history, and pray that his support for the IRA does no further harm. Max, what a sad day you bring to us. That you should implicate me, and others, by way of this convoluted and tenuous thread of connections, as in part responsible for the gratuitous act of violence perpetrated at Canary Wharf, is both reprehensible and beyond my greatest attempts at comprehension. You seem to believe that, by my simple refusal to condemn as inhuman a man whose views are not in accord with your own, I must be a de facto collaborator in that appalling event. Do I really need to make proven my abhorrence of that, and indeed all acts of violence ? Has anything I have posted or emailed ever carried a suggestion that I might find an ally in violence? You have said that you took up the metaphorical sword against Doug to repudiate false claims he made about you and yet you appear to be remarkably casual about doing the same to others.=20 Nobody has said that they support Doug as you have suggested.=20 They have said that they like him. This is measurably different. =20 Here is the way I see the events. After a period of acrimony, two parties agreed to put aside past differences and talk with a view to establishing common ground and future harmonious relationships. This continued for some time until one party grew frustrated with the process and fell to the ways of the past, exploding a bomb in the midst of a community of people who were passing their daily lives in a new-found freedom of shared enjoyable discourse. They had thought they were finally free from the heavy-handed attitudes of those who would say; " If you don't agree with me, I will see you dead." That device was not from the ordnance of the IRA, Max. The parties were you and me, and it was a verbal bomb, planted and detonated by you, in the heart of an s.c.b topic which, until your act of violence, had seen no anger, no derision, no one-upmanship,no name-calling, just a sharing of humour and nostalgia. It was a topic which carried no threat or thought of malice to any person. You chose this place to be the Canary Wharf of your mission against a personally perceived threat from Doug. Plainly, I would not wish to draw a comparison of scale between the two acts. What leaves me saddened is that a man of your intelligence, education and humour should on the one hand purport to be the saviour-elect of those who might be persuaded by Doug, yet on the other hand fall to using the very tactics you so loudly decry. What makes you able to feel greater anguish than we, at the horror of Canary Wharf ? Is the vehemence and volume of ones response the correct measure? What leads you to suspect that the rest of us do not have the capacity to discern what may or may not be rubbish emanating from Doug, and that we need your translation and guidance in these matters? =20 As I have said to you before, I find humour to be the vehicle of choice when attempting to communicate new ideas to others. I retain this view, particularly having seen what you offer as an alternative. Months, and for all I know, years of "did not, did too" between Doug and yourself have resulted in what ? Has Doug been persuaded to your view, or, quelle horreur, you to his ? Has anybody been persuaded by either of you ? As I sit here in the 30 C heat, prodding my keyboard, a blowfly, adventurous enough to come inside, now wishes to exit. He buzzes at the window, confused, occasionally taking long swings out into the room and flying at great speed into the puzzling barrier. He stuns himself momentarily, and then proceeds with astonishing persistence, to re-enact the entire scene - endlessly. A sad parallel is evident. Surely, Max, pragmatism would direct you to the view that, having=20 failed to persuade after exceedingly lengthy efforts in a single plane, you might find discussional deliverance in some other direction. The Shed Thread may appear at first glance to be an excursion into trivia, but the zesty enthusiasm of the participants reveals the need for such diversion. The thread was a catalyst to discussion free from the ravages of "me-firstisms" and formed, without it being steered by the participants, a common ground for the future exchange of other ideas. This stable platform for inclusive dialogue was in marked contrast to the constant attempts, in other threads, to kick the soap box from under the feet of the "opponent". How can you possibly believe that pouring shite and derision onto the heads of those whose opinions you wish to turn could ever=20 accomplish such a goal. The work of persuasion is long and=20 circuitous, and ill-tempered short-cuts are the tools of those most likely to fail. Good grief, Max, look at your language; "Death to=20 Doug", "scum" and " legitimate targets". Are you unable to see=20 that your tactics in this matter are disturbingly similar to those of the people you claim to despise? I can only hope that this is all=20 a bizarre troll in which you and Doug are alter-egos of the one=20 person, arguing against himself into Usenet infinity. You have hi-jacked this thread, kidnapped its purpose, bombed and=20 demoralised its participants, defamed a number of its posters and=20 perverted its use to your own ends. You have stolen my time by creating the need for me to respond to you in this way. For this, Max, I suspect you will garner little in the way of thanks, respect or support. I am, in the end, dismayed that your erstwhile companionship is now lost to me. I have enjoyed your wit and shall miss it.=20 =20 May a hitherto absent tranquillity befall you, extinguishing before it the conflagration of your rage. Jeff Drabble=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4fb74j$3p9central.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble)= writes: >This faqette is a work in progress and will only achieve its >full usefulness with your input and opinion. May you be >blessed with an exundation of shedding pleasures.=20 This FAQette needs a subsection on acceptable shed-substitutes for=20 those poor souls without proper sheds. =20 A properly arranged cellar can get you through several years of shedlessness= =20 without the need for Prozac. I myself was forced to grow up with a brick built shed - always referred to= =20 as 'the she' and used as such, however - conencted to, but sufficiently far= =20 from, the main body of the house that it was adequate. The use of garages to simulate the usual functions of a shed is, of course,= =20 frowned upon, but "needs must when the devil drives". A correctly botched loft conversion might qualify one for associate= shedness: the presence of the cold water tank is a big mark in its favour. -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: perditamcc.ac.uk (C Speed) zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) writes: >Proponent: > Arthur "two sheds" Jackson (a.jacksonthe.bottom.of.the.garden) >[...actually if anybody thinks this is a good idea I'll make it a bit more= =20 >sensible and post it to the relevant newsgroups with a non-fake name at the= =20 >end...] Wot, no Arthur Fowler? *&) Go on. Do it. You know you want to. uk.rec.sheds? =20 It would at least offer some light relief on a config newsgroup too full of bemused indians at the moment. Claire --=20 ****************************************************************************= ** * Claire Speed [ENTX] * Network & Operations Unit, Manchester Computing = * * Dial-up, ISDN, TICTAC * C.Speedmcc.ac.uk http://www.mcc.ac.uk/Claire/ = * ************************************************************************ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) perditamcc.ac.uk (C Speed) wrote: >Go on. Do it. You know you want to. uk.rec.sheds? =20 >It would at least offer some light relief on a config newsgroup too >full of bemused indians at the moment. I say, "light relief" ? This is an outrage! (Quote J.L) Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: wagraytaz.dra.hmg.gb (Walter Gray) In article fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk= (Dave Budd) writes: > RFD for unmoderated group uk.sheds > >Name: > uk.sheds > >Summary: > uk.sheds is a newsgroup dedicated to the appreciation of sheds and= =20 > the furtherance of shededness among the general population. > =20 >Rationale: > The shed, with its contents and use, is a major archetype within > the male psyche; the exigencies of modern life are, however,=20 > gradually eroding the typical male's knowledge of the joys of=20 > shedding. Heretofore there has been no suitable forum on Usenet=20 > where shedders can gather to pursue the furtherance of shedding. > This newsgroup provides such a place, and will hopefully attract > many of the unshedded into the hobby. > >Charter: > The group is for discussions relating to sheds, their use, their > contents, and the culture of shedding. Will it include garages and lean-tos? (leans-to?). Unfortunately I am currently 'between sheds'. Walter - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article: fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk= (Dave Budd)=20 writes: >=20 >=20 > I myself was forced to grow up with a brick built shed - always referred= to=20 > as 'the she' and used as such, > Hey Dave. If this wasn't a typo, a visit to Freud [preferably, Emma] might= be in order. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D David John=20 Just as I was getting really used to yesterday, along came today =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> Dave Budd wrote: =3D>=20 =3D> In article <4fb74j$3p9central.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) writes: =3D>=20 =3D> >This faqette is a work in progress and will only achieve its =3D> >full usefulness with your input and opinion. May you be =3D> >blessed with an exundation of shedding pleasures. =3D>=20 =3D> This FAQette needs a subsection on acceptable shed-substitutes for =3D> those poor souls without proper sheds. =3D>=20 =3D> A properly arranged cellar can get you through several years of shedlessness =3D> without the need for Prozac. =3D>=20 =3D> I myself was forced to grow up with a brick built shed - always referred to =3D> as 'the she' and used as such, however - conencted to, but sufficiently far =3D> from, the main body of the house that it was adequate. =3D>=20 =3D> The use of garages to simulate the usual functions of a shed is, of course, =3D> frowned upon, but "needs must when the devil drives". =3D>=20 =3D> A correctly botched loft conversion might qualify one for associate shedness: =3D> the presence of the cold water tank is a big mark in its favour. To the which, allow me to add that my grandfather (bless his memory), in addition to the WWII surplus Nissen hut (which also housed the Elsan privy - no new-fangled flush toilets or septic tanks for my grandpa), and the pukkah wooden shed built from plywood left-overs of other projects, also had a 1930-something Morris estate, sans engine, sans wheels, sans seats, which performed admirable duty as an ersatz shed when the other edifices reached overflow status. For our US readers today, try a late sixties full-size Chevy wagon, with the appropriate useless bits removed and artistically arrayed around the back yard. Note, however, that the windows _must_ work as originally intended by GM, or it doesn't qualify. Happy shedding! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D pjlaudre.audre.com | A dust whom England bore, shaped, San Diego, CA, USA | made aware... Rupert Brooke =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> wrote: >and the pukkah wooden shed built from plywood left-overs of other >projects,=20 This is truly what we are seek. Sounds like a really fine example. Jolly well done that man. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> In article fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk= (Dave Budd) writes: |> RFD for unmoderated group uk.sheds |> Rationale: |> The shed, with its contents and use, is a major archetype within |> the male psyche; the exigencies of modern life are, however,=20 |> gradually eroding the typical male's knowledge of the joys of=20 |> shedding. Heretofore there has been no suitable forum on Usenet= =20 |> where shedders can gather to pursue the furtherance of shedding. |> This newsgroup provides such a place, and will hopefully attract |> many of the unshedded into the hobby. |>=20 As one of Thatchers shedless generation I can only applaud your suggestion= and to implore you to press on with the discussion process forthwith. I'm= currently only doing cold frames but am hoping to find a good shed dealer so I can= start mainlining. Trev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- "Look here, what has fish got to do with it? Why bring them up?" Wilkin did not bother to reply. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: > RFD for unmoderated group uk.sheds >Name: > uk.sheds >Summary: > uk.sheds is a newsgroup dedicated to the appreciation of sheds and= =20 > the furtherance of shededness among the general population. > =20 >Rationale: > The shed, with its contents and use, is a major archetype within > the male psyche; the exigencies of modern life are, however,=20 > gradually eroding the typical male's knowledge of the joys of=20 I have a question for uk.sheds, if it's ok with you if I barge in on this ultra-male subject - it did say unmoderated. At any rate, we have a room in our house that's male territory (I sneak in once in awhile to use one of the 12 computers stacked on top of one another) which is packed from floor to roof with old hardware, books, magazines, newspapers, all sorts of junk, with pathways throughout that lead to something that used to be a desk, that has three working computers. I refuse to allow the hardware to creep into the living room, which it occasionally does. Anyway, does this qualify as a shed, and if not, what's an appropriate name for it? Ann - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4fjc85$al8kaleka.seanet.com> annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner)= writes: >I have a question for uk.sheds, if it's ok with you if I barge in on >this ultra-male subject - it did say unmoderated. At any rate, we have >a room in our house that's male territory (I sneak in once in awhile >to use one of the 12 computers stacked on top of one another) which is >packed from floor to roof with old hardware, books, magazines, >newspapers, all sorts of junk, with pathways throughout that lead to >something that used to be a desk, that has three working computers. I >refuse to allow the hardware to creep into the living room, which it >occasionally does. Anyway, does this qualify as a shed, and if not, >what's an appropriate name for it? It's close, but it's not really a shed: a large element of sheddity is the= =20 separation from the main body of the house. A shed is somewhere you go to,= =20 leaving the rest of the family uncertain of your whereabouts. Lofts,=20 cellars, and garages don't quite count for the same reason, though they're= =20 an acceptable way of surviving periods of shedlessness. An appropriate name? Hmmm. Tough one, that. What say the shed elite? -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) wrote: snip >I have a question for uk.sheds, if it's ok with you if I barge in on >this ultra-male subject - it did say unmoderated. At any rate, we have >a room in our house that's male territory (I sneak in once in awhile >to use one of the 12 computers stacked on top of one another) which is >packed from floor to roof with old hardware, books, magazines, >newspapers, all sorts of junk, with pathways throughout that lead to >something that used to be a desk, that has three working computers. I >refuse to allow the hardware to creep into the living room, which it >occasionally does. Anyway, does this qualify as a shed, and if not, >what's an appropriate name for it? > >Ann > Hey hold on, this sounds like my london flat, when did you sneak in? I'm=20 sure I would have noticed.=20 Ed > ------------------------------------------------------------ |Ed Fowler, Information Systems & Resources Co-ordinator | | Lehman Brothers International (Europe) Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------ |All views expressed are strictly my own and do not reflect| | the past, present or future views of my employers. | ------------------------------------------------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) Melissa Porter interpath.com> wrote: >Ann, >Are you sure your husband and mine are not related? >Melissa >---------- This shed thread is most comforting. OTOH, it could mean a certain solidarity might take place. Ann - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) wrote: >a room in our house that's male territory (I sneak in once in awhile >to use one of the 12 computers stacked on top of one another) which is >packed from floor to roof with old hardware, books, magazines, >newspapers, all sorts of junk, with pathways throughout that lead to >something that used to be a desk, that has three working computers. I >refuse to allow the hardware to creep into the living room, which it >occasionally does. Anyway, does this qualify as a shed, and if not, >what's an appropriate name for it? >Ann Good to hear from you again, Ann. Your answers are; .1. No, and .2. A sodding shambles. I am sorry to be of so little help after your absence, but on a more encouraging note, you may find something of interest in a subject I intend introducing after shedding has been sorted out. At that time, we will be conducting a probing examination into trellising. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) >>>>> "Jeff" =3D=3D Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes: Jeff> Good to hear from you again, Ann. Your answers are; .1. No, Jeff> and .2. A sodding shambles. I am sorry to be of so little help Jeff> after your absence, but on a more encouraging note, you may find Jeff> something of interest in a subject I intend introducing after shedding Jeff> has been sorted out. At that time, we will be conducting Jeff> a probing examination into trellising. Jeff, I'm finding your house-centric comments somewhat disturbing. I am becoming, as one who lives in a flat, increasingly isolated, as I don't own even a small patch of land for a shed (although I can but dream of owning one) and as for a trellis, well, it's something I should need a garden wall for. Unfortunately this has been denied me by the cruel hand of fate. I'm presently house-hunting, and needless to say, I shall insist on a dilapodated shed as prime import. Can you tell me whether it is acceptable to keep any interesting pieces left by previous owners, or must one start with an empty shed and build on it? Cheers G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) In article mvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi>,= gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) writes: |> I'm presently house-hunting, and needless to say, I shall insist on a |> dilapodated shed as prime import. |>=20 |> Can you tell me whether it is acceptable to keep any interesting pieces= left |> by previous owners, or must one start with an empty shed and build on it? No, you should absolutely keep everything that the previous owner has left= in it. They put it there for a reason, i.e. they didn't want it, and you should= respect that. The only exceptions to removing something from a shed once it is in there would be something like my lawn mower which I inherited from the= previous occupants of my house in Massachusetts. It hasn't worked in 2 years, and so= I felt justified in moving it 3000 miles in that state to take pride of place= in the centre of my new shed where it blocks access to just about every part of= the shed. Simon. --=20 Simon Patience Phone: (415) 933-4644 Silicon Graphics, Inc FAX: (415) 962-8404 2011 N. Shoreline Boulevard Email: spsgi.com Mountain View, CA 94043 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) >>>>> "Simon" =3D=3D Simon Patience albion.engr.sgi.com> writes: Simon> No, you should absolutely keep everything that the previous owner has= left in it. Simon> They put it there for a reason, i.e. they didn't want it, and you= should respect Simon> that. The only exceptions to removing something from a shed once it= is in Simon> there would be something like my lawn mower which I inherited from= the previous Simon> occupants of my house in Massachusetts. It hasn't worked in 2 years,= and so I Simon> felt justified in moving it 3000 miles in that state to take pride of= place in Simon> the centre of my new shed where it blocks access to just about every= part of the Simon> shed. I shall be shed hunting on Saturday. I look forward to finding a lovely shed with a pleasant little house in the front garden. I shall ensure that any contents be left. Wish me luck. G -- =20 Disclaimer: I'm making this up as I go along - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) wrote: >>>>>> "Jeff" =3D=3D Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes: >Jeff> Good to hear from you again, Ann. Your answers are; .1. No, >Jeff> and .2. A sodding shambles. I am sorry to be of so little help >Jeff> after your absence, but on a more encouraging note, you may find >Jeff> something of interest in a subject I intend introducing after= shedding >Jeff> has been sorted out. At that time, we will be conducting >Jeff> a probing examination into trellising. Thank you. My entire garden, including the trellises has a mind of its own and defies all the laws of nature. I have six rosemary bushes that refuse to stop growing, even during the cold snap. My liclac never did bloom (sob). >Jeff, I'm finding your house-centric comments somewhat disturbing. I am >becoming, as one who lives in a flat, increasingly isolated, as I don't own >even a small patch of land for a shed (although I can but dream of owning >one) and as for a trellis, well, it's something I should need a garden wall >for. Unfortunately this has been denied me by the cruel hand of fate. >I'm presently house-hunting, and needless to say, I shall insist on a >dilapodated shed as prime import. >Can you tell me whether it is acceptable to keep any interesting pieces= left >by previous owners, or must one start with an empty shed and build on it? >Cheers >G I don't know about shed contents, but we found two stone lions which clearly used to hold up a bench. We dragged them in and have found all sorts of uses for them, including at one point, a TV stand. Ann - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - -=20 From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: > RFD for unmoderated group uk.sheds > >Name: > uk.sheds > >Summary: > uk.sheds is a newsgroup dedicated to the appreciation of sheds and= =20 > the furtherance of shededness among the general population. Snip > > A jolly Fine idea, I second it. Ed =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >>Summary: >> uk.sheds is a newsgroup dedicated to the appreciation of=20 sheds > and=20 >> the furtherance of shededness among the general=20 population. Hang on here, chaps! General population of what? Many of us ex-pats=20 are cut off from the uk.* groups. While I applaud the creation of a shed group, I believe it should=20 be under sci.* Probably just sci.sheds, as I don't think there is=20 a meta-group that is appropriate. DickJ Gentleman of leisure (and loving it). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4fl112$jk1lonweb1.lehman.com> Ed Fowler= >> RFD for unmoderated group uk.sheds >> >A jolly Fine idea, I second it. Hmm, ok, seeing as a member of the uk. committee also suggested to me that I= =20 ought to do it, just to see if it can get through......later today, a real= =20 RFD. -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >This FAQette needs a subsection on acceptable shed-substitutes for=20 >those poor souls without proper sheds. A discussion on the benefits of trellising is being considered. =20 >A properly arranged cellar can get you through several years of= shedlessness=20 >without the need for Prozac. I'd keep the Prozac handy. An offering of a cellar is a thinly disguised ruse, likely to succeed only if it is fully stocked with the finest of wine. >I myself was forced to grow up with a brick built shed - always referred to= =20 >as 'the she' and used as such, however - conencted to, but sufficiently far= =20 >from, the main body of the house that it was adequate. Adequacy is the goal of the unambitious shedster. >The use of garages to simulate the usual functions of a shed is, of course,= =20 >frowned upon, but "needs must when the devil drives". It might be possible to deconstruct a garage down to shed status, but it would surely only be a shadow of the real thing. >A correctly botched loft conversion might qualify one for associate= shedness: >the presence of the cold water tank is a big mark in its favour. The loft conversion is a definite non-starter and the cold water tank would have to be faulty beyond repair. But look here, I like the cut of your jib. Keeness is all important in this matter.=20 =20 Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> In article fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, Dave Budd fs1.mcc.ac.uk> writes >I myself was forced to grow up with a brick built shed - always referred to= =20 >as 'the she' and used as such What did you do -- line the keyhole with a wet sponge? --=20 John Lynch - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: > Snip top half of whay promises to become a most worth document > >4. Q: "Is a gazebo a shed ?" asks Fowler. > A: No. > Snip bottom half of said worth document > >This faqette is a work in progress and will only achieve its >full usefulness with your input and opinion. May you be >blessed with an exundation of shedding pleasures.=20 > >Hope this helps > >Jeff Drabble. > Fine worth Mr Drabble, but In addition to my Gazebo, I have two rather=20 fine sheds, they are nearly the most sheddy sheds I have every seen.=20 They are only beaten by a shed once owned by my late grandfather. I first saw this shed when I was 5, to me it was the embodyment of all=20 that was mysterious and forbidden about his large and rather overgrown=20 garden. The shed was large and had been constructed (or possibly gown,=20 it has a very organic look about it) beofre the first world war. It was=20 built out of what I can only assume was dry rot and creosote. Due to=20 inadequate foundations it sloped from back to fromt by about 15 degrees.=20 the roff was concave and the inside dark and enticing. The collections of object d'art which it housed were beyond compare.=20 there were shoe lasts, oddly shaped and corroded tools, a knackered=20 lawnmower or three, bits of pipe and wire, old tins of unidentifiable=20 paint or varnish etc (best of all, one of those blow tourches used for=20 cleaning paths. Ahh the fun I had with that when I found that if you over=20 opumped the pressurised petrol container you could use it as a flame=20 thrower.) In all, the best quality junk that a family of engineers and=20 builders had accumilated over nearly 60 years. To me it was wonderful. Alas all this came to and end when I was 11, unfortunately the shed=20 caught fire and was destroyed. As it was built from decomposed wood and=20 creosote it burnt rather fericely and nothing was recoverble from it's=20 contents. A loss similar to the destruction of the library at Alexandria. So when I got my own large and rambling garden I was determined that=20 future generations of Fowlers could enjoy the same childhood experiences=20 I did. Thus I have built two sheds out of good quality old wood (which=20 actually came from the floorboards of my house when we renovated it) so=20 that my children can have as much fun as I had. Ed All right, you've guessed it, I set fire to it, by accident I assure you,=20 the old blow torch just couldn't cope with being pressureised by a water=20 pump. It blew up and took out the shed. RIP ------------------------------------------------------------ |Ed Fowler, Information Systems & Resources Co-ordinator | | Lehman Brothers International (Europe) Ltd | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4fl0t3$jk1lonweb1.lehman.com> Ed Fowler= >there were shoe lasts,=20 Verily, a grade A shed! Used to be a shoe last in my dad's shed, but sadly it disappeared sometime= =20 between my leaving home for uni and my adult yearning for shedness. -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >In article <4fl0t3$jk1lonweb1.lehman.com> Ed Fowler= >>there were shoe lasts,=20 >Verily, a grade A shed! >Used to be a shoe last in my dad's shed, but sadly it disappeared sometime= =20 >between my leaving home for uni and my adult yearning for shedness. Now I think your onto something vital here. My grandfather's very excellent shed did indeed house a shoe last. It had a single piece base and main shaft, then three interchangeable feet, thus allowing the repair of all sizes of footwear. It was one of those things that a young lad's eye fell to immediately, visually carressing it and assessing its potential for the undertaking of important cobbling tasks. Just while we're on the subject of contents, it has been my experience that it is advisable to set aside up to 75% of the shed interior to pile things on top of one another. Bicycles should be positioned in this heap so as to ensure that extraction is not a practical consideration. I have known people who have attempted to bypass this requirement by hanging the bicycle from hooks on the ceiling. This is not a very sheddy thing to do. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4fuqj6$nekcentral.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble)= writes: >zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >>In article <4fl0t3$jk1lonweb1.lehman.com> Ed Fowler >gbccmail.lehman.com> writes: >>>there were shoe lasts,=20 >>Used to be a shoe last in my dad's shed, but sadly it disappeared sometime= =20 >>between my leaving home for uni and my adult yearning for shedness. >Now I think your onto something vital here. My grandfather's very >excellent shed did indeed house a shoe last. It had a single piece I'd like to mention that, while shedding is mainly a male pursuit, maiden=20 aunts who lost their beau in the Great War (1914 for you young'uns) may be= =20 allowed access for the purpose of using the shoe last. I hadn't thought=20 about my Aunt Lizzie much in the last 15 years, but the shoe last brought=20 back some memories.....long walks by the stream over nearby farmland.... -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jcramptogmu.edu (jeremy) In article fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: [...sheds...] I would like to nominate the saying from Cold Comfort Farm as the official motto: "I saw something horrible once in the woodshed". Official rejoinder, "I'm sure you did, but the question is did it see you?" (paraphrased from the TV version) --=20 Jeremy Crampton http://geog.gmu.edu jcramptogmu.edu C:\ONGRTLNS.W95 (You make a grown man cry) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: snip > >Just while we're on the subject of contents, it has been my experience >that it is advisable to set aside up to 75% of the shed interior to >pile things on top of one another. Bicycles should be positioned in >this heap so as to ensure that extraction is not a practical >consideration. I have known people who have attempted to bypass this >requirement by hanging the bicycle from hooks on the ceiling. This is >not a very sheddy thing to do. > >Jeff Drabble Jeff, I'm afraid that the correct way of storing a bike (or three) in a shed is=20 by the semi-osmotic process of leaving the bikes near the hose pipe and=20 35ft of flex, leave this over a period of time (a fortnight should do)=20 and when you open the door, you will find the bikes tied to the old=20 rusted lawnmower in the corner and at least two of your garden forks. I suspect this is an early anti bike theft device, incoroporated in the=20 DNA of every good shed. I normally takes me 3-4 hours to disentangle the=20 bikes, i doubt a theaft could do it any quicker. Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> C.A.Williamsshef.ac.uk (Chris Williams) wrote: snip >Surely if one was to balance the bicycle obscurly on a rusty angle-brakect >(100% shed so far) and then (here's the clever bit) festoon it with >a much-kinked and probably perished garden hose - in such a way that=20 >neither hose nor bicycle can be safely retrieved without a small and very = =20 >rusty carpet tack falling into one's eye - then it would be sheddy? > >Chris Oh rapture, oh glorious day, this is music unto mine ears, a true shed=20 devotee, the art of the newton assisted carpet tack is one which is rarely= =20 seen these days, it takes me right back so it does.=20 Cue screen wobble - it's flashback time scene - younger incarnation of Ed and slightly unhinged grandafther=20 ed : I want to learn how to ride a bike! mad grandad: I know i've got one in the shed (a bike that is) ed : Oh great, go get it now in shed mad grandad: There it is, up on the wall (pointing to pre-boer war bike, = =20 probably built out of spare girders nicked from the clyde) ed : ah, great , lets get it down! mad grandad: Ok In the resulting struggle , my insane grandfather, got the forsaid carpet=20 tack in his eye, fell backwards and because he was still holding the=20 hosepipe, by which the bike was secured to the angle brackets, he managed to= =20 pull the back wall off the shed and down onto him. Not surprisingly I didn't= =20 learn how to ride a bike that summer, but i learnt a lot about shed=20 construction (I use that word advisedly, construction implies planning and= =20 the methodical approach, not swearing, throwing tools into the ground, tears= =20 of frustration as the back wall of the shed was re-attached, only to have to= =20 roof cave in, and one one magical occasion, where my grandfather, father and= =20 uncle had just re-postioned the roof of the shed and stood back to admire=20 their work only to have all four walls of the shed cave out at the same=20 moment) these are the days childhood are made from. Cue screen wobble. Incidentally, my wife informs me that when I put up the sheds in our back=20 garden (with the help of the two remaining skilled shed re-builders, my dad= =20 and uncle) we managed to get the first shed up in 3 hours but the next one= =20 took nearly a week, and was actually erected 6 times, but fell down again.= =20 once she recalled onto a pile of creosote tins which burst and liberally=20 sprayed both myself and my father. Oh happy days. Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> wrote: >C.A.Williamsshef.ac.uk (Chris Williams) wrote: >>Surely if one was to balance the bicycle obscurly on a rusty angle-brakect >>(100% shed so far) and then (here's the clever bit) festoon it with >>a much-kinked and probably perished garden hose - in such a way that=20 >>neither hose nor bicycle can be safely retrieved without a small and very = =20 >>rusty carpet tack falling into one's eye - then it would be sheddy? >Oh rapture, oh glorious day, this is music unto mine ears, a true shed=20 >devotee, the art of the newton assisted carpet tack is one which is rarely= =20 >seen these days, it takes me right back so it does.=20 >Cue screen wobble - it's flashback time >scene - younger incarnation of Ed and slightly unhinged grandafther=20 Look, I'm not going to try to go one better than this lot from Messrs Williams and Fowler. It is intensely and deeply sheddy, and is to be held in very high regard. Let me just say that it reveals the vastness that is shedding and shows that when some may say; "what more can be said of sheds", in truth, we have but scratched the surface. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - From: william1netcom.com Ed Fowler (Ed_Fowlergbccmail.lehman.com) wrote: : Alas all this came to and end when I was 11, unfortunately the shed=20 : caught fire and was destroyed. As it was built from decomposed wood and=20 : creosote it burnt rather fericely and nothing was recoverble from it's=20 : contents. A loss similar to the destruction of the library at Alexandria. Ed, A fine story but one that leaves a question. Wouldn't there remain many=20 fine things for a shed after such a fire? I would think any item of=20 steel, iron, stone or clay would serve as starter for another shed. =20 Granted, you were 11 and may have had no place to store these items, but=20 a fire from which "nothing was recoverble" sounds dubious. I look forward to the formation of group a dedicated to Mr. Drabble's dream. Wm P.S. My shed has no door. Does this lessen its status? Any plans for a=20 suitable shed portal would be appreciated. --=20 William= Homer|william1netcom.com|ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/wi/william1/weh.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com>with great aplomb, wrote: >Fine worth Mr Drabble, but In addition to my Gazebo, I have two rather=20 >fine sheds, they are nearly the most sheddy sheds I have every seen.=20 >They are only beaten by a shed once owned by my late grandfather. There is no question that grandfathers are the very finest purveyors of sheds and associated paraphernalia. The architecture, construction and contents nomenclature of *my* grandfather's shed were an exemplar to budding shedsters. After he died, when I was still a lad, I was perusing the contents of one of the cupboards (a lovely wooden example, dark with machine-oil stains), when I discovered an old tobacco tin containing 72 pounds, the intended purpose of which will never be known. Such are the mysteries of shedding. >I first saw this shed when I was 5, to me it was the embodyment of all=20 >that was mysterious and forbidden about his large and rather overgrown=20 >garden. The shed was large and had been constructed (or possibly gown,=20 >it has a very organic look about it) beofre the first world war. It was=20 >built out of what I can only assume was dry rot and creosote. Due to=20 >inadequate foundations it sloped from back to fromt by about 15 degrees.=20 >the roff was concave and the inside dark and enticing. Very, very evocative, Mr Fowler. There are some notable features in the above which deserve comment. That organic, "perhaps it grew" look is just splendid. Art has occurred here. The inadequate foundations are of course, a master stroke, and the concave roof an act of pure genius. There is however, a contradiction, as perhaps there always should be with sheds, and that is the use of dry rot and creosote together. Dry rot, being the acme of shed contruction materials, should not, to my mind, be sullied by the application of a preservative. Small bandwidth preserving snip (which I have wasted saying this)=20 > In all, the best quality junk that a family of engineers and=20 >builders had accumilated over nearly 60 years. To me it was wonderful. And indeed, to us also, now that you have been so kind as to share it with us. >Alas all this came to and end when I was 11, unfortunately the shed=20 >caught fire and was destroyed. As it was built from decomposed wood and=20 >creosote it burnt rather fericely and nothing was recoverble from it's=20 >contents. A loss similar to the destruction of the library at Alexandria. I am inconsolable. >So when I got my own large and rambling garden I was determined that=20 >future generations of Fowlers could enjoy the same childhood experiences=20 >I did. Thus I have built two sheds out of good quality old wood (which=20 >actually came from the floorboards of my house when we renovated it) so=20 >that my children can have as much fun as I had. That you should pass this joy to them. A wonderful thing. >All right, you've guessed it, I set fire to it, by accident I assure you,= =20 >the old blow torch just couldn't cope with being pressureised by a water=20 >pump. It blew up and took out the shed. RIP The work of a Hun! You are a scoundrel, sir. Displays of contrition are required. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: liveseypirate.engr.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) In article <4fb74j$3p9central.co.nz>, Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> wrote: > >1. Q: What is a shed? > A: A slight or temporary erection built to shelter >something ; an out-building. (Ref ; The "King's English" >Dictionary. Pg 795. Published 1942 by Books of Dignity and >Service Ltd.) This esteemed tome shall be deemed to be the >official reference for all matters shedish. I believe that the shed can only be fully understood in a social context. jon. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) In article <4fm8ug$is3fido.asd.sgi.com> Jon Livesey wrote: >I believe that the shed can only be fully understood in >a social context. Bloody marxist! A person's relationship with sheds is a complex=20 complex involving the transcending of the id by the super-ego and=20 vice versa. (See Sheds, Dreaming and the Unconscious Mind, S.=20 Freud; published by Umlaut and Klein, Vienna,1906). Gentleman of leisure (and loving it). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: liveseypirate.engr.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) In article <4foisl$56news-e1a.megaweb.com>, Dick Jackson gnn.com> wrote: > >In article <4fm8ug$is3fido.asd.sgi.com> Jon Livesey wrote: >> I believe that the shed can only be fully understood in >> a social context. > > Bloody marxist! A person's relationship with sheds is a complex=20 > complex involving the transcending of the id by the super-ego and=20 > vice versa. (See Sheds, Dreaming and the Unconscious Mind, S.=20 > Freud; published by Umlaut and Klein, Vienna,1906). Well, I've never understood whether Freud was a doctor or a=20 fiction writer. It seems here that you are saying that a shed is a gestalt, a construct whose totality cannot be measured simply by the sum of its parts. And I wouldn't disagree with that on the face of it. Even if you have a door handle, a door, some ripple class, some siding and some flower pots, I suppose you still don't really have a point in shed-space. On the other hand, I believe that there are plenty of perfectly ordinary people out there who have a good working intuition of sheds, and who don't need a bloody course from a guy in a beard and sandals at some new university to explain it to them. jon - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) liveseypirate.engr.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) wrote: >I believe that the shed can only be fully understood in >a social context. Your are clearly correct. Indeed, it is the mission of this faqette to reveal the interweaving of the shed into the fabric of human society. Jeff Drabble. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: >liveseypirate.engr.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) wrote: >>I believe that the shed can only be fully understood in >>a social context. >Your are clearly correct. Indeed, it is the mission of this faqette >to reveal the interweaving of the shed into the fabric of human >society. Well, perhaps you can explain why some people insist on showing visitors their shed. I don't mind sheds, but they're always cold and I never know what to say. "Oh, this is lovely?" or "What a beautiful shed?" Now, trellisses area nother matter. I have two. One has honeysuckle growing over the top, making the trellis look as if it has hair. The other just stands there. Ann - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) wrote: >Well, perhaps you can explain why some people insist on showing >visitors their shed. I don't mind sheds, but they're always cold and I >never know what to say. "Oh, this is lovely?" or "What a beautiful >shed?" This is a common problem. On these occasions, nod sagely and remain silent.=20 >Now, trellisses area nother matter. I have two. One has honeysuckle >growing over the top, making the trellis look as if it has hair. The >other just stands there. I like the one that just stands there. It displays its full trellisness. Look here, Ann, you're looking in fair shape to carry the can on trellii. ( trellis plural ) I'm a bit pushed for time at present what with having to deal with strafing attacks from Max and sheds and all. It had been my intention to hold back on the trellis thingy until sheds had settled, but it seems to be gathering a=20 momentum with which I am currently unable to cope. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> In article <4g8bov$t5pcentral.co.nz>, jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble)= writes: |> sheds and all. It had been my intention to hold back on the trellis |> thingy until sheds had settled, but it seems to be gathering a=20 |> momentum with which I am currently unable to cope. |>=20 So a Gazebo is right out then? Trev --=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: firthsei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) In article <4gfil0$50mwhitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> Trevor Kirby= >So a Gazebo is right out then? A gazebo is a shed that has been admitted to Mensa. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) firthsei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) wrote: >In article <4gfil0$50mwhitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> Trevor Kirby= >>So a Gazebo is right out then? >A gazebo is a shed that has been admitted to Mensa. That's kind of cute actually, although I'm having a hard time picturing certain particularly sappy scenes inside sheds, events that traditionally take place inside gazebos. I almost like them better in the shed. Ann - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Susan Spence raynet.com> annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) wrote: >firthsei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) wrote: > >>In article <4gfil0$50mwhitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> Trevor Kirby= > >>>So a Gazebo is right out then? > >>A gazebo is a shed that has been admitted to Mensa. > >That's kind of cute actually, although I'm having a hard time >picturing certain particularly sappy scenes inside sheds, events that >traditionally take place inside gazebos. I almost like them better in >the shed. > Everything is better in a shed. Even the word 'gazebo' is ridiculous. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> In article <4gig69$4t2kaleka.seanet.com>, annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner)= writes: |> firthsei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) wrote: |>=20 |> >In article <4gfil0$50mwhitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> Trevor Kirby= |>=20 |> >>So a Gazebo is right out then? |>=20 |> >A gazebo is a shed that has been admitted to Mensa. |>=20 |> That's kind of cute actually, although I'm having a hard time |> picturing certain particularly sappy scenes inside sheds, events that |> traditionally take place inside gazebos. I almost like them better in |> the shed. |>=20 Daphne looked suggestively at the shed door, "It's awfully hot, it'll be= much cooler inside". Justin looked lovingly at her and reached for the door= handle. "Uh" he thought as his hand encountered the nylon rope with the frayed= Gordian knot. With eyes glazing over with lust, he tore feverishly at the knot,=20 becoming more and more desperate as finger nail after finger nail snapped=20 and pinged off the corrugated iron door. Eventually he gave a triumphant= yell as the sheet metal finally sawed through the rope. He stepped back and threw= open the door with a dramatic flourish. As he lay there wondering who had put all those broken plant pots in such a= stupid place, he became aware of a strange foisty and very organic odour. Looking= around he saw the shed door on the ground and Daphne sitting in a pile of old= Maxicrop bottles holding an old sack to the door induced gash in her head. "Darling"= he cried dashing into the shed, "bugger" he cried as he bashed his head on a= dangling bundle of lumber. Daphne essayed a brief smile and his heart went out to= this vision of loveliness sitting demurely mopping her head as the maxicrop oozed= into her undies.............. Yeh I know. Don't give up the day job. Trev =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> wrote: snip, the first attempt at an erotic story set in the post modernist shed > >Yeh I know. Don't give up the day job. > > Trev >=20 Bravo, This is the type of material we need to see! Ed ------------------------------------------------------------ |Ed Fowler, Information Systems & Resources Co-ordinator | | Lehman Brothers International (Europe) Ltd | ------------------------------------------------------------ | * VOTE FOR UK.REC.SHEDS * VOTE FOR UK.REC.SHEDS * | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> In article <4h43mo$i95lonweb1.lehman.com>, Ed Fowler= |> snip, the first attempt at an erotic story set in the post modernist shed |> > |> Bravo, This is the type of material we need to see! |>=20 |> Ed Thank you Luvvies Darlings, for all the wonderful reviews, however I= couldn't have done it with out my backup team .... and finally I'd like to thank Maxicrop for their= sterling efforts to destroy every last one of my olfactory receptors. Now if you will excuse me there are a couple of pallets on a skip outside= the Daysh which are just begging to surround my second compost heap. Trev "Two compost heaps, there's posh for you" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> In article <4gvsr7$iudnrtphba6.bnr.ca>, Melissa Porter= |> Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> wrote: |>=20 |> |> I've never had my torrid goings-on regretfully snipped before. =20 |> On the contrary, I thought it was quite romantic...=20 |>=20 |> I just hope Daphne and Justin have had tetanus boosters recently! Maxicrop in the undies romantic???? I can only presume this wonderous= concoction has never reached your part of the world. Actually this brings me to the= most evocative part of the shed, it's smell. One whiff of maxicrop brings back= the memory of my dads shed which had a delectable smell made up of creosoted= telegraph pole, maxicrop, foisty sacks and eau de James 150CC. It was an Aladdins cave= =20 containing such wonders as lead britains farm animals, tins of crystals, the James, tools, hurricane lamps, strings of onions, lethal sharp things, bits= of telephones and of course maxicrop and other home brewed concoctions to= increase the yield of the veg patch. Oh and I assume that the true shedder without adequate tetanus protection is= a long extinct critter. On the other hand if anyone has survived a true shed= =20 without any form of protection for a decade or so, then would they please go= out and buy me a lottery ticket. Trev "off to build the Sue Spence memorial gazebo" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> In article <4h0g5o$7r7kaleka.seanet.com>, annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner)= writes: |> Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> wrote: |>=20 |> >Yeh I know. Don't give up the day job. |>=20 |> Why not? I can't wait for the movie. |>=20 | That raises all sorts of problems. The british film industry is dead, the= French would turn it into some unintelligible angst ridden metaphor and Hollywood= would have Sylvester Stallone grunting at the rope and then blowing the door off= with his trusty pocket 155mm macho-penile-substitute-o-matic while Daphne pumps a= few hundred extra cc's of silicone into her already unfeasibly conical boobs. I suppose channel 4 films might do it but then who would we get to play the= lead roles? Ken and Em have fallen out and the producers would insist on making= it=20 upper crust to pull in the yank punters, next thing you know it's Hugh Grant and the bloody gazebo again. Trev - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- From: spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) In article <4h6qbr$o25whitbeck.ncl.ac.uk>, Trevor Kirby= |> |> Why not? I can't wait for the movie. |> | |> That raises all sorts of problems. The british film industry is dead, According to the Economist last week (SIMBT), the British film industry is= doing=20 very well and growing faster than any in Europe. Simon. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: suenntp.best.com (Susan Spence) Trevor Kirby (Trevor.Kirbyncl.ac.uk) wrote: : In article <4h0g5o$7r7kaleka.seanet.com>, annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner)= writes: : |> Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> wrote: : |>=20 : : |> >Yeh I know. Don't give up the day job. : |>=20 : |> Why not? I can't wait for the movie. : |>=20 : | : That raises all sorts of problems. The british film industry is dead,=20 You forgot to say "Film at 11". Anyway, I think it's been showing signs of life lately. : would turn it into some unintelligible angst ridden metaphor and=20 : Hollywood would : have Sylvester Stallone grunting at the rope and then blowing the door=20 : off with : his trusty pocket 155mm macho-penile-substitute-o-matic while Daphne=20 : pumps a few : hundred extra cc's of silicone into her already unfeasibly conical boobs. KeWl. Can't wait till it's on cable. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) suenntp.best.com (Susan Spence) wrote: >Trevor Kirby (Trevor.Kirbyncl.ac.uk) wrote: >: In article <4h0g5o$7r7kaleka.seanet.com>, annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner)= writes: >: |> Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> wrote: =20 Hell, I can't tell who wrote any of this, but anyway . . . . . . >: That raises all sorts of problems. The british film industry is dead,=20 >You forgot to say "Film at 11". Anyway, I think it's been showing >signs of life lately. Agreed ! Even though the froggies had a finger in the cinematographic pie, "Carrington" wasn't half bad. There was a very acceptable scene where Dora became involved in a spot of rogering with her hubby's best friend in . . . yes, a SHED, while hubby flicked flies at the trout in a nearby brook. She's a healthy lass, that Emma Thompson. BTW, I assure you my attention was fully engaged with inspecting the appointments of the shed during this scene. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> In article <4h8c4r$keanntp1.best.com>, suenntp.best.com (Susan Spence)= writes: |> You forgot to say "Film at 11". Anyway, I think it's been showing |> signs of life lately. |> EyninStandit [Thank you Eric] READallerBARTit. Green shoots of recovery seen= in British film industry, John Major asks if he can borrow a cup of them till= the next election. Anyhow I never get to see Films at 11, they keep giving me some piffle about= =20 having to double my medication if I get excited. |> : his trusty pocket 155mm macho-penile-substitute-o-matic while Daphne=20 |> : pumps a few |> : hundred extra cc's of silicone into her already unfeasibly conical= boobs. |>=20 |> KeWl. Can't wait till it's on cable. Are you allowed anything that tame on cable? Well if that's going to sell= then we've got to have a shed shopping channel. I can just imagine some baffled= bimbo oozing sincerity while expounding 3 million uses for a bottle of Maxicrop. This production was brought to you in glorious shedovision (tm). Trev=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> firthsei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) wrote: >In article <4gfil0$50mwhitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> Trevor Kirby= > >>So a Gazebo is right out then? > >A gazebo is a shed that has been admitted to Mensa. Then is nothing faintly mensan about my gazebo pal. The very thought. Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> wrote: >So a Gazebo is right out then? You're on to it, Trev. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Jeremy Barker jbark.demon.co.uk> In article <4gof5p$cuvcentral.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz "Jeff Drabble" writes: > Trevor Kirby ncl.ac.uk> wrote: >=20 > >So a Gazebo is right out then? >=20 > You're on to it, Trev. >=20 > Jeff Drabble=20 I have just been reading Fouler's short book on >Modern English Shed=20 Usage<. Refer to page 23 for a discussion of the >Gazebo Fallacy<. He= also, interestingly, deals at some length with Freud's famous Shed Test . The following are some examples he gives of Shed Language. Where has your husband disappeared to? Oh,he suffers from the Shed Syndrome. Those documents - shall I shred them or shed them? She retired to another room for a little sheddle. I've lost my glasses They'll be in the shed. He's such a tidy person. Yes, an awful example of shedness. Fouler quotes approvingly of Shakespeare's final revision of Hamlet and especially of the line >Shed I, or shed I not: that is the question.<=09 --=20 Jeremy Barker =20 Even Scrooge could be reformed. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: annwseanet.com (Ann Weiner) jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: >I like the one that just stands there. It displays its full >trellisness. Look here, Ann, you're looking in fair shape to carry >the can on trellii. ( trellis plural ) I'm a bit pushed for time at >present what with having to deal with strafing attacks from Max and >sheds and all. It had been my intention to hold back on the trellis >thingy until sheds had settled, but it seems to be gathering a=20 >momentum with which I am currently unable to cope. >Jeff Drabble Jeff, you're becoming incorporated. Now you're too busy and have to hire a staff to handle your calls. Tell Max he needs a shed, or better still, a trellis. Sheds and trellii concentrate certain energies and stuff like that and they might turn him into a frog or something. I've never built a trellis, but if the cats continue to chew mine up I may have to figure it out.=20 Ann - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) Re: Shed FAQ=20 David John: & As most of your post [snipped - not relevant to this point] quoted an= earlier & post of mine, I am assuming you are including me as one of the scum. That is extremely perspicacious of you. I can only assume you have been to school. & If this is so, please post your proof for this assertion or withdraw it & unreservedly. I justify my poor regard of you and the other Doug supporters on the following grounds: Doug is an IRA supporter, and in the wake of the recent explosion in East London, resulting in the murder of two people, and the horrible disfigurement of a third, I find your claim that such a person has 'an important place' in this ng to be ludicrous and insulting to the memory of the victims of the bombing. Since you have stated that I am a renegade in an oblique kind of way but certainly not in any way that leaves one in doubt as to who you mean, and asserted plainly that I am scum, I see no reason to apologise or modify my opinion of you. I cannot imagine why you hold such a person in= admiration, unless it is merely to be some sort of ng clown whose antics are supposed to be regarded as entertainment. Is that what you meant? I think you will find most people find little humour in his socialist cant, in fact one might be forgiven for percieving it as one long stream of abuse. If you wish to enjoy my good opinion, repudiate Doug and his works. & It is you who are scum [and, therefore, a hypocrite]. & My proof for this assertion can be seen above. & & No matter how much you disagree with Doug, you go beyond the pale by & wishing him dead. & & This thread can fairly be described as being lighthearted - hopefully & enjoyed by many as a change from some of the turgid subjects often & seen on this ng. & & Why did you feel you had to inject a note of seriousness into it? =20 Well you have to admit that Death is a strange kind of happiness. Evidently you don't like "Derek and Clive Live" (regarded by some as humour), which is where I got the remark which upsets you so. & Argue with Doug on a more appropriate thread. There is little point in arguing with Doug in any thread. I am very sad to see you and others supporting him, that is the point I wished to make. & Now, can we please get back to the more interesting and stimulating & topic of sheds? Shed on. & David John &=20 & PS: For any Americans reading this, and Mr Muir's post, please do not & judge all of us by one renegade. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article: <4g0sji$nnsnews3.cts.com> orbcts.com (Maxwell Muir) writes: >=20 > Re: Shed FAQ=20 >=20 > David John: > & As most of your post [snipped - not relevant to this point] quoted an= earlier > & post of mine, I am assuming you are including me as one of the scum. >=20 > That is extremely perspicacious of you. I can only assume you have been > to school. Correct. It was many years ago - in the days when courtesy was taught as a= matter of course [no pun intended] >=20 > & If this is so, please post your proof for this assertion or withdraw it > & unreservedly. >=20 > I justify my poor regard of you and the other Doug supporters on the > following grounds: Doug is an IRA supporter, and in the wake of the > recent explosion in East London, resulting in the murder of two people, > and the horrible disfigurement of a third, I find your claim that > such a person has 'an important place' in this ng to be ludicrous and > insulting to the memory of the victims of the bombing. I am not interested whether or not you hold me in poor regard but, to set the record straight, there is very little, if anything, in Doug's many posts= with which I agree. Like you, I am particularly incensed with his apparent support of= the IRA. Nevertheless, he _is_ entitled to air his views. Just as you are entitled= to cirticise them. My complaint concerned the manner in which you did so. >=20 > Since you have stated that I am a renegade in an oblique kind of way but > certainly not in any way that leaves one in doubt as to who you mean, and > asserted plainly that I am scum, I see no reason to apologise or modify > my opinion of you. I cannot imagine why you hold such a person in= admiration, > unless it is merely to be some sort of ng clown whose antics are supposed > to be regarded as entertainment. Is that what you meant? I think you > will find most people find little humour in his socialist cant, in fact > one might be forgiven for percieving it as one long stream of abuse. >=20 > If you wish to enjoy my good opinion, repudiate Doug and his works. I can see no valid reason for courting your good opinion. I do repudiate Doug's views, but _not_ the person. I am not God: it is not in my purview to repudiate anybody. Everyone [including you, Mr Muir] has some good in him/her. No doubt, should you ever meet him, you would find this would be the case with Doug. >=20 > & It is you who are scum [and, therefore, a hypocrite]. > & My proof for this assertion can be seen above. > & > & No matter how much you disagree with Doug, you go beyond the pale by > & wishing him dead. > & > & This thread can fairly be described as being lighthearted - hopefully > & enjoyed by many as a change from some of the turgid subjects often > & seen on this ng. > & > & Why did you feel you had to inject a note of seriousness into it? =20 >=20 > Well you have to admit that Death is a strange kind of happiness. > Evidently you don't like "Derek and Clive Live" (regarded by some > as humour), which is where I got the remark which upsets you so. I have no wish to enter into any kind of theological discussion. Sorry, I have never heard of the programme you quote, let alone seen it. >=20 > & Argue with Doug on a more appropriate thread. >=20 > There is little point in arguing with Doug in any thread. I am very > sad to see you and others supporting him, that is the point I wished > to make. >=20 > & Now, can we please get back to the more interesting and stimulating > & topic of sheds? >=20 > Shed on. With this sentiment, I fully agree. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D David John=20 Just as I was getting really used to yesterday, along came today =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: TUK067maccvm.corp.mot.com (David Wheeler) jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: >zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >gbccmail.lehman.com> writes: >>>there were shoe lasts, >>Used to be a shoe last in my dad's shed, but sadly it disappeared sometime >>between my leaving home for uni and my adult yearning for shedness. > >Now I think your onto something vital here. My grandfather's very >excellent shed did indeed house a shoe last. It had a single piece I'm proud to announce that my garden shed contains an authentic early twentieth century shoe last, which I rescued from my late grandfather's shed after his death and before the sale of the house in the early 1970s. Ah, my grandfather's shed... the epitome of what shedding is all about. Drawers, cupboards and tins everywhere, filled with rusty whatsits, old medals and an assortment of weird gadgets whose purpose had long been forgotten, if in fact they ever had one. An ancient, reeking paraffin heater for cold days, copious quantities of woodworm, sawdust everywhere, and a pile of sacks under one of the benches on which we used to sit while my grandfather read to me. I learned to read in that shed, at the age of about 3-and-a-half, and I've been a voracious bookworm ever since, to which a well-stocked bookshelf in my own shed is testimony. The people who bought the house knocked the shed down. Bastards. A few years later, the foundations of the house subsided, rendering it unsafe for habitation. Poetic justice, I felt. ---------------------------------------------------------------- David A. Wheeler, Motorola Ltd., Basingstoke, Hampshire, England CDW028email.mot.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: david_x_healyamoco.com (Dave Healy) In article uffa.demon.co.uk>, Christopher Watkins= > >Reposted - News Problems at Demon. Sorry if your have read this already. > >In article <1996Feb20.105101.22513schbbs.mot.com>, David Wheeler >maccvm.corp.mot.com> writes >> >> > >Moving on to a more serious matter - my father. Does anyone have any=20 >advice I can give him. My mother won't let him have a shed. He foolishly=20 >accepted my mother's suggestion of knocking down the old shed and=20 >building a kitchen extension for her and a garage for him. He now=20 >realises a garage is not the same as a shed and is pining. It is costing=20 >me a fortune taking him out for a pint to cheer him up. > >--=20 >Christopher Tell him to go to the local authority and get an allotment. Then, without your mother's knowledge, he can surreptitiously build a replacement shed and use it to his heart's content behind her back. Be a "closet shedder" as it were. Dave - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: davidterminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) In article <4gjrlt$batabloid.amoco.com>, david_x_healyamoco.com (Dave= Healy) writes: >Tell him to go to the local authority and get an allotment. Then, without >your mother's knowledge, he can surreptitiously build a replacement shed >and use it to his heart's content behind her back. Be a "closet shedder" >as it were. Yeah, but Eastender's Arthur Fowler had a shed on an allotment and he's in prison now for embezzlement. It's a slippery slope, you know. David. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: davidterminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) In article <1996Feb26.102405.19358terminus.ericsson.se>,= davidterminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) writes: >In article <4gjrlt$batabloid.amoco.com>, david_x_healyamoco.com (Dave= Healy) writes: >>Tell him to go to the local authority and get an allotment. Then, without >>your mother's knowledge, he can surreptitiously build a replacement shed >>and use it to his heart's content behind her back. Be a "closet shedder" >>as it were. > > Yeah, but Eastender's Arthur Fowler had a shed on an allotment >and he's in prison now for embezzlement. It's a slippery slope, you >know. Ooops. Can I point out poste haste that any resemblence to people on this newsgroup, living or dead, and perhaps sharing the same surname is purely coincidental. Honestly, Ed! David. (Frantically looking for my solicitor's telephone number) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: mjfmhplb.hpl.hp.com (Miranda Mowbray) Someone asked for the lyrics to Flanders and Swann's masterpiece "In the Bath". I don't want to break copyright laws so here is a ditty about sheds instead. Oh I find such simple pleasure when I've had a tiring day In the shed, in the shed Wrapped in an old tarpaulin I can while the hours away In the shed, in the shed Oh, the perfume of the turpentine, the beetles' soft caress In rusting shears and Weedol there's a joy I can't express There's a comfort in the rotting wood that banishes distress In the shed, in the shed. Then the hatred of my fellows is repotted from my brain In the shed, in the shed And there sprout the sweet green shoots of human kindness once again In the shed, in the shed Through the holes in felt and roofing I can contemplate the sky A garden is a lovesome thing, God wot, and so do I When I get old and rusty take me out and let me die In the shed, in the shed. I can see the one salvation of the poor old human race In the shed, in the shed Let the leaders of each nation meet eachother face to face In the shed, in the shed Let Clinton oil the mower and let Major sit and muse Let Adams tend the greenery, there'll be peace in the News, Provided Zhirinovsky doesn't find my stash of booze In the shed, in the shed. Miranda "more of a gazebo person, actually" Mowbray. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: mjfmhplb.hpl.hp.com (Miranda Mowbray) I would just like to point out that my last post ("In the shed") does not necessarily reflect the views of my employers, even though Hewlett Packard was started in a shed, which is now an Official Californian Landmark, and there is a well-lit closeup=20 photo of said shed on the company calendar. =20 Miranda. --------------------------------------------------------------- Best poem I read last year: http://149.132.130.48:4444/OBJ/13206 This post isn't necessarily HP's view either. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) mjfmhplb.hpl.hp.com (Miranda Mowbray) wrote: >Someone asked for the lyrics to Flanders and Swann's masterpiece "In the >Bath".=20 Miranda, that wasn't just someone, that was the Gentleman of Liesure. ( May the holes be huge, Dick, and the bunkers tiny.) Jeff Drabble=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> david_x_healyamoco.com (Dave Healy) wrote: snip >Ah, well, you see slippery slopes can be dangerous. You want to get >some nice shuttering down, lay some concrete steps, brush finish. >That'll do the trick, then you can re-cycle the shuttering into >a shed extension. > >Dave > A shed extension, I like it! Perhaps we could have a shed with a loft=20 conversion too. Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> wrote: >david_x_healyamoco.com (Dave Healy) wrote: >>Ah, well, you see slippery slopes can be dangerous. You want to get >>some nice shuttering down, lay some concrete steps, brush finish. >>That'll do the trick, then you can re-cycle the shuttering into >>a shed extension. >A shed extension, I like it! Perhaps we could have a shed with a loft=20 >conversion too. Lads, lads, is this the true shedding way? Surely the "less is more" attitude is the one we're after. If things were to go the way you suggest, soon we would have shedding entrepreneurs, high=20 volume shed manufacturing, shed expositions, condominium sheds=20 and on and . . . .=20 Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: snip > >Lads, lads, is this the true shedding way? Surely the "less is more" >attitude is the one we're after. If things were to go the way you >suggest, soon we would have shedding entrepreneurs, high=20 >volume shed manufacturing, shed expositions, condominium sheds=20 >and on and . . . .=20 > >Jeff Drabble > I dunno, I just duno, are we trying to preserve the true shed in a quite=20 and gentle way, or should we evangelise and spread the word far and wide. Incidentally, my wife put some net curtains up in one of the sheds (god=20 only knows why) and I timed there life span, do you know it took only=20 18hrs from pristene white to grubby brown with holes. Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> Christopher Watkins uffa.demon.co.uk> wrote: snip >Moving on to a more serious matter - my father. Does anyone have any=20 >advice I can give him. My mother won't let him have a shed. He foolishly=20 >accepted my mother's suggestion of knocking down the old shed and=20 >building a kitchen extension for her and a garage for him. He now=20 >realises a garage is not the same as a shed and is pining. It is costing=20 >me a fortune taking him out for a pint to cheer him up. > >--=20 >Christopher That is one of the most moving and eloquent things I have ever read,=20 there are almost tears in my eyes as I type this. The struggle, the=20 sucess, the final tragedy. My heart goes out to him, and to all those who=20 have had a shed and lost it to the forces of cruel fate. Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> Gareth Evans wrote: > Oh, and this pub. Well, there's a pub garden with a number (4 I think)= wooden > sheds, each with felt roofs. >=20 > The first is used as a kennel for 3 dogs. The second contains Brian, a > 11-foot python, some turtle-like small things (terrapins?) and some milk > snakes. The third contains chinchillas, chipmonks, hamsters, etc. >=20 > However, the fourth, and by far the most interesting, contains dust, old= jars > of screws, nuts, plastic things, and the detritus of a working public= house. >=20 Hope you cross posted this to alt.sheds.uk. There are a bunch of people waiting for this kind of article with bated breath. > The beer (Greene King, unfortunately) comes straight from the barrel,= having > no pipes or stuff to spoil it. How can you spoil something that is already disgusting? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D pjlaudre.audre.com | A dust whom England bore, shaped, San Diego, CA, USA | made aware... Rupert Brooke =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <199602130814.IAA05045mvagusta.uk.ntc.nokia.com> Gareth Evans= >From: Gareth Evans cpd.ntc.nokia.com> >Subject: Not a shed shed thread >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:14:46 GMT >According to Today on Radio 4 this morning, some spotty schoolkid has >spent his dosh turning his 9`x5` shed into a tourist attraction using >as his inspiration Versailles and somewhere in Britain. >It's got plaster moulded ceilings. >Tell me it's not a shed? It's not a shed. He admitted it was too cold to spend time in. Ipso facto,= =20 either it's not a shed or he's not a shedder. Call it a folly. -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Gareth Evans cpd.ntc.nokia.com> writes: >>According to Today on Radio 4 this morning, some spotty schoolkid has >>spent his dosh turning his 9`x5` shed into a tourist attraction using >>as his inspiration Versailles and somewhere in Britain. >>It's got plaster moulded ceilings. >>Tell me it's not a shed? Very well, it's not a shed. The lad has entrepreneurial leanings, but the essence of shedding has escaped him. The plaster ceilings are only admissible as contents, not as fixtures. Even more serious is the idea that strangers should be paraded through one's shed. The shed is a private haven; a place of reflection; the very womb of a chap's inner quietude. Jeff Drabble BTW Gareth, I've got up to 9 day delays on your postings. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) >>>>> "Jeff" =3D=3D Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes: Jeff> Gareth Evans cpd.ntc.nokia.com> writes: >>> According to Today on Radio 4 this morning, some spotty schoolkid has >>> spent his dosh turning his 9`x5` shed into a tourist attraction using >>> as his inspiration Versailles and somewhere in Britain. >>> It's got plaster moulded ceilings. >>> Tell me it's not a shed? Jeff> Very well, it's not a shed. The lad has entrepreneurial leanings, but Jeff> the essence of shedding has escaped him. The plaster ceilings are Jeff> only admissible as contents, not as fixtures. Even more serious is Jeff> the idea that strangers should be paraded through one's shed. Jeff> The shed is a private haven; a place of reflection; the very womb of a Jeff> chap's inner quietude. I have to bow to your knowledge? Can a garage be coverted from being a car-respite to being a respite in itself?=20 Does one need to escape from anyone, or can one just sit tinkering in ones shed for no real reason? I'm still very jealous. Still I'm shedless. Jeff> BTW Gareth, I've got up to 9 day delays on your postings. ...and they say New Zealand's not a long long way away.... G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) control seems reluctant to pass my RFD on to the newsgroups - maybe he's=20 just busy - but in the meantime, I've discovered: http://info.pitt.edu/~brianm/shed/shed.html It has links to lots of BBS stuff and one or two other things, but most=20 importantly it has a picture of a shed on it. -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) excitedly wrote: , > I've discovered: >http://info.pitt.edu/~brianm/shed/shed.html >It has links to lots of BBS stuff and one or two other things, but most=20 >importantly it has a picture of a shed on it.=20 It's true. I've just come back from there and I'm in a state of high glee. We must all email him at >brianminerva.phyast.pitt.edu< , relaying greetings and expressions of gratitude. I have already done this. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> Jeff Drabble wrote: > ... on a more encouraging note, you may find > something of interest in a subject I intend introducing after shedding > has been sorted out. At that time, we will be conducting > a probing examination into trellising. >=20 Jeff - please don't wait until shedding has been sorted out; I hope that thread runs for a _long_ time, and meanwhile, I am about to embark upon the hobby of trellising and could seriously use some pointers. PS Better keep this thread off of alt.usage.english - they have a really bad attitude towards verbing nouns over there. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D pjlaudre.audre.com | A dust whom England bore, shaped, San Diego, CA, USA | made aware... Rupert Brooke =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -= - From: Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> David John wrote: >=20 > My thoughts have gone no further than thinking of a possible name: > "Association of Dilapidated Sheds of Distinction". > Members would be allowed to use the post-nominal letters > MADSOD. >=20 > Should a group of trellis lovers be discovered in the near > future, a similar organisation could also be considered; perhaps > "Order of Trellis Formation Lovers". To avoid confusion between the > two bodies, members would be given the appelate "Representative" > and, as such, use the post-nominal letters ROTFL. >=20 I am becoming increasingly tired of this pernicious American habit of giving everything a title that reduces to an acronym. Accordingly, I have founded an organisation to combat this linguistic cancer. Anyone interested in further information should contact: Society for the Prohibition of Acronymic Titles (SPAT) at the e-mail address below. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D pjlaudre.audre.com | A dust whom England bore, shaped, San Diego, CA, USA | made aware... Rupert Brooke =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article: ltalk12.ceri.memphis.edu> =20 Mathesonceri.memphis.edu (Duncan Stewart Matheson) writes: >=20 > In article <464718407wnrkglc.demon.co.uk>, davidkglc.demon.co.uk wrote: >=20 > [An aweful lot about sheds & trellices] > Yes indeed, Duncan. I am full of awe for those who are shed afficionados. David John=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <31237147.435Eaudre.audre.com>, Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> writes >I am becoming increasingly tired of this pernicious American habit of >giving everything a title that reduces to an acronym. =20 David John is a Welshman -- not just any Welshman; the archetypal gog. Anyone less like an American would be difficult to imagine --=20 John Lynch=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> John Lynch wrote: >=20 > In article <31237147.435Eaudre.audre.com>, Peter J Lusby > audre.audre.com> writes > >I am becoming increasingly tired of this pernicious American habit of > >giving everything a title that reduces to an acronym. >=20 > David John is a Welshman -- not just any Welshman; the archetypal gog. > Anyone less like an American would be difficult to imagine So sorry. I had not meant to imply that the worthy Taffy might be a bloody colonial. It is the pernicious habit which I impute to American origins, whomever might be displaying it. How deplorable, though, that this disgusting perversion should have found its way even into that last bastion of culture and good taste which Wales represents. pjlaudre.audre.com=09 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article: <3123A082.3EBAaudre.audre.com> Peter J Lusby= writes: >=20 > John Lynch wrote: > >=20 > > In article <31237147.435Eaudre.audre.com>, Peter J Lusby > > audre.audre.com> writes > > >I am becoming increasingly tired of this pernicious American habit of > > >giving everything a title that reduces to an acronym. > >=20 > > David John is a Welshman -- not just any Welshman; the archetypal gog. > > Anyone less like an American would be difficult to imagine >=20 > So sorry. I had not meant to imply that the worthy Taffy might be a > bloody colonial. It is the pernicious habit which I impute to American > origins, whomever might be displaying it. How deplorable, though, that > this disgusting perversion should have found its way even into that last > bastion of culture and good taste which Wales represents. >=20 Thank you, John, for your timely confirmation that I am not a Yank. Thank you, Peter, for your apology. Although, to be fair, I had not inferred that you had accused me of being an American, only that I was overdoing the acronym thingy. TTFN [an abbreviation will have to do - it's much too late at night to think up a suitable acronym]. David John=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article: <31237147.435Eaudre.audre.com> Peter J Lusby= writes: > I am becoming increasingly tired of this pernicious American habit of > giving everything a title that reduces to an acronym. Accordingly, I > have founded an organisation to combat this linguistic cancer. Anyone > interested in further information should contact: >=20 > Society for the Prohibition of Acronymic Titles (SPAT) >=20 Peter I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have long been of the opinion that, often, the acronym is thought of first and then a title created to= fit. However, my suggestion referred to post-nominal letters -- not titles. Regards David John, MAAS,TRICHT, LONDON, FAREHAM Member of the Anti-Acronym Society Trainee Representative of the Institute of Corporate Hospitality &= Teetotallers Licentiate Of the New Dawn of Numerology Fellow of the Association of Rancid Eggs, Ham And Mushrooms PS: What the hell has all this to do with sheds? - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article ltalk12.ceri.memphis.edu>= Mathesonceri.memphis.edu (Duncan Stewart Matheson) writes: >Ermmm....we have a greenhouse which is, after all, just a transparent >shed. So could I be considered a MADSOD(T Division)???? We also have a >conservatory, which is similar to a transparent shed, except it only has 3 >walls. And it's attached to the side of the house. Sorry....no trellices >anywhere. IF the greenhouse had that white stuff over all the panes, so it was=20 totoally opaque, AND you NEVER keep plants in it, then it might be 10% of=20 the way to being a shed. Replacing a few broken panes with plywood offcuts,= =20 heavy card, or a similar material, would also help. But it's a longshot. Conservatories are right out. ...or something =20 Dave Budd =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> Dave Budd wrote: >=20 > In article ltalk12.ceri.memphis.edu>= Mathesonceri.memphis.edu (Duncan Stewart Matheson) writes: > >Ermmm....we have a greenhouse which is, after all, just a transparent > >shed. So could I be considered a MADSOD(T Division)???? We also have a > >conservatory, which is similar to a transparent shed, except it only has= 3 > >walls. And it's attached to the side of the house. Sorry....no trellices > >anywhere. >=20 > IF the greenhouse had that white stuff over all the panes, so it was > totoally opaque, AND you NEVER keep plants in it, then it might be 10% of > the way to being a shed. Replacing a few broken panes with plywood= offcuts, > heavy card, or a similar material, would also help. But it's a longshot. >=20 > Conservatories are right out. >=20 I'd have to concur with Mr Budd on this, although Mr Drabble, as our resident authority on the subject might have a more definitive answer. It seems to me that the two primary requisites for sheddiness are opaqueness and separation from the dwelling. These are "sine qua non", since the sole true function of the shed is to give one a place to escape from the prying eyes of family, friends and neighbors. Happy shedding! pjlaudre.audre.com=09 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> wrote: >Dave Budd wrote: >I'd have to concur with Mr Budd on this, although Mr Drabble, as our >resident authority on the subject might have a more definitive answer. >It seems to me that the two primary requisites for sheddiness are >opaqueness and separation from the dwelling. These are "sine qua non", >since the sole true function of the shed is to give one a place to >escape from the prying eyes of family, friends and neighbors. A couple of salient points arise here. Well heeled shedsters will have noted the continuing attempts by interlopers to break into the world of shedding with the use of shed substitutes. Shedsters are by no means an elitist group - it is perhaps even possible for a Mensan to become a shedster - but a certain standard is required or the flood-gates will open and there will be an inundation of biblical proportions, with greenhouses, cellars, carports, and outdoor dunnies all claiming a place, quite wrongly, in shed-dom. An oft missed point is that actual shed ownership is not a prerequisite to shediness. As the faqette points out, shediness is part of one's very being, so that it is possible for one to sheddy, but shedless. In practice however, this is rarely the case as the urge to shed ownership is so powerful that a true shedster's life can take no other path than that which leads quickly and inexorably to shed possession. Mr Lusby has been overly generous in declaring me the resident=20 authority in matters sheddy. It is however, not generally known that I am the proud holder of a B.Sh, and plan to move on to greater academic heights with my thesis; " Sheds and their influence on oil futures. An exploration into the effects of oil company moguls spending rather too much time in their sheds." Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: snip > >Mr Lusby has been overly generous in declaring me the resident=20 >authority in matters sheddy. It is however, not generally known that >I am the proud holder of a B.Sh, and plan to move on to greater >academic heights with my thesis; " Sheds and their influence on oil >futures. An exploration into the effects of oil company moguls >spending rather too much time in their sheds." > >Jeff Drabble Another worthy document, can I have a glimpse of the finished article? Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> wrote: >>academic heights with my thesis; " Sheds and their influence on oil >>futures. An exploration into the effects of oil company moguls >>spending rather too much time in their sheds." >Another worthy document, can I have a glimpse of the finished article? ..........and as he sat, surrounded by the shakers and movers of the cartel, he was noticed to be glancing furtively at a photograph in his wallet. They pressed him to be allowed to see this picture of his most beloved and began nodding to each other knowingly when they saw that it depicted his ................... This is but a glimpse; it is, as yet, unfinished. Thank you for your interest. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: snip > >..........and as he sat, surrounded by the shakers and movers of the >cartel, he was noticed to be glancing furtively at a photograph in his >wallet. They pressed him to be allowed to see this picture of his >most beloved and began nodding to each other knowingly when they saw >that it depicted his ................... > >This is but a glimpse; it is, as yet, unfinished. Thank you for your >interest. > >Jeff Drabble > This sounds like a job for Mouldy and Scullery, the shed files. Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Peter J Lusby audre.audre.com> wrote: >> Conservatories are right out. >I'd have to concur with Mr Budd on this, although Mr Drabble, as our >resident authority on the subject might have a more definitive answer. >It seems to me that the two primary requisites for sheddiness are >opaqueness and separation from the dwelling. These are "sine qua non", >since the sole true function of the shed is to give one a place to >escape from the prying eyes of family, friends and neighbors. With the shift to ever more densely packed city development, the modern shedster feels compelled to revise the ground-rules on occasion in an effort to ensure that those who are born to shedding, but are denied an expression of their shediness due to their urban circumstance, are afforded the opportunity to get in touch with their sheddy side. Avid shedsters will have spotted my suggestion of an indoor shed to counter this problem and I've mentioned it again here so as to allow discussion on this sticky point of required seperation from other buildings. I believe modern shedding is an organic thing, growing and changing, even metamorphosing to cater to the needs=20 of its adherents. =20 Interestingly you have introduced Latin into our discussion of sheds. This would seem an appropriate time to remind shedsters of the correct language for shed reference. Shedus horribilis is of course, your common or garden shed. Shedus grandii refers to that shed which has moved to true "hand in glove" status with its owner, the shed having become practically indistinguishable as a seperate entity. The half scale indoor shed that I have proposed would be known as Shedus minusculae domesticus. The advantage of this knowlege becomes rapidly apparent when one realises that trellii, conservatories and the like are domiciled in the "pergolum" genus, thus making it abundantly clear that they are not, and never can be, sheds. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) In article <4g0g2h$i1jshellx.best.com> Susan Spence wrote: >Hey Virginia, this'll blow yer mind - I'm in London=20 Your multi-day absence has been noticed and commented upon. Doug=20 also was thin on the ground for a while. I was beginning to suspect=20 that you'd run off with him. Your geographical boasting is=20 accordingly worrying. DickJ A bad day on the golf course is far preferable to a good day at work. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Frankacclaim.demon.co.uk (Frank Hendrix) DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: >In article <4g0g2h$i1jshellx.best.com> Susan Spence wrote: >>Hey Virginia, this'll blow yer mind - I'm in London=20 >Your multi-day absence has been noticed and commented upon. Doug=20 >also was thin on the ground for a while. I was beginning to suspect=20 >that you'd run off with him. Your geographical boasting is=20 >accordingly worrying. ... and coincided with a number of other events such as the end of the IRA ceasefire and Lynch's loss of a modem. --=20 Frank Hendrix LOBBYdata the UK Parliamentary database - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: sueshellx.best.com (Susan Spence) Frank Hendrix (Frankacclaim.demon.co.uk) wrote: : DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: : >Your multi-day absence has been noticed and commented upon. Doug=20 : >also was thin on the ground for a while. I was beginning to suspect=20 : >that you'd run off with him. Your geographical boasting is=20 : >accordingly worrying. Worry no more. I tried to get him to go out for a steak but he just started crying.=20 : ... and coincided with a number of other events such as the end of the : IRA ceasefire and Lynch's loss of a modem. 1. I was in Yorkshire when the 1st bomb in the Docklands went off. =20 2. Bomb #2 in the west end inconvenienced me greatly but not as much as it might have if it had gone off. Bastards. Had to settle for a meal at Bloom's and a bagful of beigels instead of a show. As far as Lynch's modem, what are you talking about? I can't possibly read all the outstanding messages in this newsgroup, there were over 2000 when I got back. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.manchester-computing-centre.ac.uk (Dave Budd) Newsgroups:= uk.net.news.announce,uk,net.news.config,uk.misc,soc.culture.british RFD for unmoderated group uk.rec.sheds Name: uk.rec.sheds Summary: uk.rec.sheds is a newsgroup dedicated to the appreciation of sheds= =20 and the furtherance of shedding among the general population. =20 Rationale: The shed, with its contents and use, is a major archetype within the male psyche; the exigencies of modern life are, however,=20 gradually eroding the typical male's knowledge of the joys of=20 shedding. Heretofore there has been no suitable forum on Usenet=20 where shedders can gather to pursue the furtherance of shedding. This newsgroup provides such a place, and will hopefully attract many of the unshedded into the hobby. A prototype FAQ already=20 exists (many thanks to Jeff Drabble) and this has been posted on=20 soc.culture.british Charter: The group is for discussions relating to sheds, their use, their contents, and the culture of shedding. =20 Moderation: No moderation Advertising: Advertising of sheds only. Binaries: No binaries Proponent: Dave Budd (D.Buddmcc.ac.uk) Procedure: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. =20 In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the=20 proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion=20 period will last at least 10 working days, counted from the posting= =20 of this RFD to uk.net.news.announce. This RFD will also be posted to: soc.culture.british, uk.misc, uk.net.news.config. Please alert people who may be interested but do not frequent the listed groups. =20 **** All discussion should be posted to uk.net.news.config. **** =20 At the end of the discussion period, one of the following will= occur: 1. If there are *no* objections to the proposal, the groups will=20 be created by means of a FAST TRACK 2. A call for votes will be posted by a neutral vote-taker 3. The proposal will be abandoned by the proponent -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) zlsiidafs1.manchester-computing-centre.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: > RFD for unmoderated group uk.rec.sheds >Name: > uk.rec.sheds >Summary: > uk.rec.sheds is a newsgroup dedicated to the appreciation of sheds= =20 > and the furtherance of shedding among the general population. Just one small problemette. How come you've claimed it for Britain ? Is the empire still in acquisition mode ? I propose any of the following ; ---- rec.arts antiques collecting crafts heraldry org.mensa puzzles woodworking Failing the acceptance of any of these I will capitulate so as not to harm the proposal. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4ga07e$h2lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> mbrancsv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr K= B Church) writes: >I welcome your clarification but this is still not good enough. You >haven't made the position of my own structure clear. If it isn't too >much trouble perhaps you might visit your local B&Q and take a look at >their "wall storage unit" priced at 54.99 uk pounds and return with an >adjudication..... Jeff Drabble's the real expert but he might find B&Q a bit of a trip from=20 New Zealand, so I suggest this simple test: Can you spend a pleasant afternoon inside it, doing nothing but idly=20 watching a spider spin its web? (it's usually quite hard to do nothing=20 for more than about 75 minutes in the typical spare_room_full_of_junk). -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: mbrancsv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr K B Church) In article fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) writes: >In article <4ga07e$h2lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> mbrancsv.warwick.ac.uk=20 (Mr K B Church) writes: My description of my B&Q "wall storage unit" deleted > >Jeff Drabble's the real expert but he might find B&Q a bit of a trip from= =20 >New Zealand, so I suggest this simple test: >Can you spend a pleasant afternoon inside it, doing nothing but idly=20 >watching a spider spin its web? (it's usually quite hard to do nothing=20 >for more than about 75 minutes in the typical spare_room_full_of_junk). So the whole shed thing is actually a question of philosophy, lifestyle and attitude really? My "wall storage unit" is only 1.4m high by 1m wide by 0.7m deep so I cannot sit in it. During the summer though I sit beside it on the two concrete paving slabs that form the patio, drinking tea (never these cold fizzy drinks) with Test Match Special on the radio. Is this the sort of thing that uk.rec.sheds would be all about? Keith - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) In article <4ga45q$of3crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, mbrancsv.warwick.ac.uk= (Mr K B Church) writes: |> In article fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, |> zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) writes: |> >In article <4ga07e$h2lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> mbrancsv.warwick.ac.uk= =20 |> (Mr K B Church) writes: |>=20 |> My description of my B&Q "wall storage unit" deleted |>=20 |> > |> >Jeff Drabble's the real expert but he might find B&Q a bit of a trip= from=20 |> >New Zealand, so I suggest this simple test: |> >Can you spend a pleasant afternoon inside it, doing nothing but idly=20 |> >watching a spider spin its web? (it's usually quite hard to do nothing= =20 |> >for more than about 75 minutes in the typical spare_room_full_of_junk). |>=20 |> So the whole shed thing is actually a question of philosophy, lifestyle |> and attitude really? My "wall storage unit" is only 1.4m high by 1m |> wide by 0.7m deep so I cannot sit in it. During the summer though I |> sit beside it on the two concrete paving slabs that form the patio, |> drinking tea (never these cold fizzy drinks) with Test Match Special |> on the radio. Is this the sort of thing that uk.rec.sheds would be all |> about? You're getting there, although I really do think that the physical= envelopment of a shed is vital to extract the total philosophical experience that shedding provides. You did bring up the important activity of listening to the radio, which is a major shed activity but the radio in question has to be one of= those tinny trannies whose audio quality is highly questionable. Simon. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) wrote: >provides. You did bring up the important activity of listening to the= radio, >which is a major shed activity but the radio in question has to be one of= those >tinny trannies whose audio quality is highly questionable. Quality wireless is permissible. The proviso is however, that the source is a valve mantle wireless set complete with gold fabric speaker cover, a minimum of two short-wave bands and one of those green magic-eye tuning thingies. There should be an underlying background hum. Reception may be augmented by means of an aerial comprising a length of copper wire running to the tree down the back where it terminates at a white, ceramic, egg type insulator. A reliable earth connection is recommended. The mains cable should ideally be deteriorating. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: filterfirthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth) In article <4gev7a$q73central.co.nz>, jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: > a valve mantle wireless set complete with gold fabric >speaker cover, ....[burble burble] ..... The mains cable should >ideally be deteriorating. Have you been looking in my shed? Steve - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) filterfirthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: >jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: >> a valve mantle wireless set complete with gold fabric >>speaker cover, ....[burble burble] ..... The mains cable should >>ideally be deteriorating. >Have you been looking in my shed? Spooky, isn't it ? Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: mikecasswell.u-net.com (Mike Casswell) Yes, I too support this group, and will contribute a leaking tube of Zebrite and a copy of Reveille for 12th September 1962. Mike =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk (David O) jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: > Quality wireless is permissible. The proviso is however, that the > source is a valve mantle wireless set complete with gold fabric > speaker cover, a minimum of two short-wave bands and one of those > green magic-eye tuning thingies. There should be an underlying > background hum. Reception may be augmented by means of an > aerial comprising a length of copper wire running to the tree down the > back where it terminates at a white, ceramic, egg type insulator. > A reliable earth connection is recommended. The mains cable should > ideally be deteriorating. I thought you were all mad, but I'm beginning to see - there is a "shedness" to these things. I've got the gold fabric speaker cover on the radio, but the light is white, not green. It is of course mono, and is wired to an old loudspeaker in a teak case. There does, of course, have to be a really /big/ bench, covered in half-finished projects. Ideally, it should be so big that the shed had to be built around it. Very old hand tools are important, too. With the paint worn off the handle. Am I close here? --=20 |)/\\/||) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Chris Croughton keris.demon.co.uk> In article <825827974.17701difdrum.demon.co.uk> daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk "David O" writes: >I thought you were all mad, Yes? Is that not a qualification? >but I'm beginning to see - there is a >"shedness" to these things. I've got the gold fabric speaker cover on >the radio, but the light is white, not green. The little tuning thingy should be green, I don't know that it's necessary for the dial or switch lights to be green. >It is of course mono, >and is wired to an old loudspeaker in a teak case. There does, of >course, have to be a really /big/ bench, covered in half-finished >projects. Ideally, it should be so big that the shed had to be built >around it. Very old hand tools are important, too. With the paint worn >off the handle. Am I close here? Well, the tools should have the _varnish_ worn off, but odd splotches of paint _on_ the handle. But you're close, definitely. I'd let you in if it was my s/h/e/d/ newsgroup... .-------------------------------.-------------------------------------. | chriskeris.demon.co.uk | FIAWOL (Filking Is A Way Of Life) | `-------------------------------^-------------------------------------' This message is void in Germany, China, the United States, and other places where free speech is prohibited by law. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk (David O) Chris Croughton keris.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <825827974.17701difdrum.demon.co.uk> > daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk "David O" writes: > >I thought you were all mad, > Yes? Is that not a qualification? Nah, I'm beginning to think this is all quite natural. A quiet place to be alone, to sit and meditate... it's either the shed or the upstairs loo. > Well, the tools should have the _varnish_ worn off, but odd splotches of > paint _on_ the handle. But you're close, definitely. I'd let you in if > it was my s/h/e/d/ newsgroup... The door sticks, too. And there is a dead cactus plant on the window sill. I think I'm getting the hang of this... --=20 |)/\\/||) Who has to apologise for misspelling "Croughton" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Chris Croughton keris.demon.co.uk> In article <825998791.23815difdrum.demon.co.uk> daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk "David O" writes: >Nah, I'm beginning to think this is all quite natural. A quiet place >to be alone, to sit and meditate... it's either the shed or the >upstairs loo. When this thread started I thought it was a clever spoof. Having seen it on the list of "things in discussion", and the discussions here, I think the newsgroup is a superb idea, and I'll certainly join it... I don't see much disagreement here - where's the CFV? >The door sticks, too. And there is a dead cactus plant on the window >sill. I think I'm getting the hang of this... Yep ... > Who has to apologise for misspelling "Croughton" Don't worry, even fewer people pronounce it correctly. Not that it should be pronounced 'correctly', of course ... | chris - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Susan Spence raynet.com> Chris Croughton keris.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >I don't see much disagreement here - where's the CFV? We've all been busy sitting in our sheds so we haven't got around to it yet. We've been meaning to, of course. Just as we've been meaning to sharpen the grass clippers and oil the mower. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Anthony R. Gold" microvst.demon.co.uk> In article <826363126snzkeris.demon.co.uk> chriskeris.demon.co.uk "Chris Croughton" writes: > When this thread started I thought it was a clever spoof. Having seen > it on the list of "things in discussion", and the discussions here, I > think the newsgroup is a superb idea, and I'll certainly join it... Does the charter allows binaries in the main newsgroup, or should we also=20 start uk.rec.sheds.binaries? The ideas of swapping shed intelligence=20 without the ability to show others the true beauty of our own beloved sheds= =20 is obviously a non-starter. BTW, mine is a radio shed and not a horticultural one. I hope I won't be=20 discriminated against. Sheddies Unite. Regards, --=20 Tony=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Chris Croughton keris.demon.co.uk> wrote: >paint _on_ the handle. But you're close, definitely. I'd let you in if >it was my s/h/e/d/ newsgroup... >| chriskeris.demon.co.uk | FIAWOL (Filking Is A Way Of Life) | Two points, Mr Croughton. Shedding and its associated ng doesn't *belong* to anyone. It is of the people, about the people, for the people and it is indeed, the underlying core of the people. Secondly, filking is a nasty little habit and its adherents are generally shallow and shedophobic. In short, shedding leaves filking for dead. Jeff Drabble ( N.B. Removed from uk.net.news.config) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk (David O) wrote: >I thought you were all mad, but I'm beginning to see - there is a >"shedness" to these things. I've got the gold fabric speaker cover on >the radio, but the light is white, not green. It is of course mono, >and is wired to an old loudspeaker in a teak case. There does, of >course, have to be a really /big/ bench, covered in half-finished >projects. Ideally, it should be so big that the shed had to be built >around it. Very old hand tools are important, too. With the paint worn >off the handle. Am I close here? I've gone all goose-bumpy. To be here to witness the birth of a new shedster; what a joy, what a privilege. The first few stumblings across the vast plain of enlightenment that is shedding. The veils of ignorance are wafting away and the glorious light illuminates your entire being. Your not close, your here. Welcome home shedster, welcome home . . . Dave. From Jeff Drabble and Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave and David. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk (David O) jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: > daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk (David O) wrote: > >I thought you were all mad, but I'm beginning to see - there is a > >"shedness" to these things. I've got the gold fabric speaker cover on > >the radio, but the light is white, not green. It is of course mono, > >and is wired to an old loudspeaker in a teak case. There does, of > >course, have to be a really /big/ bench, covered in half-finished > >projects. Ideally, it should be so big that the shed had to be built > >around it. Very old hand tools are important, too. With the paint worn > >off the handle. Am I close here? > I've gone all goose-bumpy. To be here to witness the birth of a new > shedster; what a joy, what a privilege. The first few stumblings > across the vast plain of enlightenment that is shedding. The veils of > ignorance are wafting away and the glorious light illuminates your > entire being. Your not close, your here. Welcome home shedster, > welcome home . . . Dave. Not exactly new of course... more returned to the fold. My father took me aside to explain the joys of shedding to me, but alas I was too young and headstrong to appreciate these sublime delights, and am only just beginning to appreciate the importance of getting just the right patina of dirt on the cracked window pane, or the right depth of wood and metal shavings on the floor. > From Jeff Drabble and Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave and David. Hmm. I think I can see a pattern... --=20 |)/\\/||) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" soft255.demon.co.uk> In article <825827974.17701difdrum.demon.co.uk>, David O difdrum.demon.co.uk> writes [] >around it. Very old hand tools are important, too. With the paint worn >off the handle. Am I close here? [] PAINTED handles? Wash your mouth out with that dusty turps in the corner ... --=20 J. P. Gilliver=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: daviddifdrum.demon.co.uk (David O) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <825827974.17701difdrum.demon.co.uk>, David O > difdrum.demon.co.uk> writes > >around it. Very old hand tools are important, too. With the paint worn > >off the handle. Am I close here? > PAINTED handles? Well, sure - they start off painted, anyway. Bright red paint, and tiny little flakes get left behind in the wood grain even after three generations of use. > Wash your mouth out with that dusty turps in the corner I think mine is more of a tools and electronic bits shed - no turps around here. I've got some of the paint we used to do the hall in 1975, though. --=20 |)/\\/||) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Alan.Holmesbrunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) In article mahayana.demon.co.uk>, Simon Gray mahayana.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Mr K B Church csv.warwick.ac.uk> has recently squirted this into >the aether: =20 >>>Jeff Drabble's the real expert but he might find B&Q a bit of a trip= from=20 >>>New Zealand, so I suggest this simple test: >>>Can you spend a pleasant afternoon inside it, doing nothing but idly=20 >>>watching a spider spin its web? (it's usually quite hard to do nothing= =20 >>>for more than about 75 minutes in the typical spare_room_full_of_junk). =20 >>So the whole shed thing is actually a question of philosophy, lifestyle >>and attitude really? My "wall storage unit" is only 1.4m high by 1m >>wide by 0.7m deep so I cannot sit in it. During the summer though I >>sit beside it on the two concrete paving slabs that form the patio, >>drinking tea (never these cold fizzy drinks) with Test Match Special >>on the radio. Is this the sort of thing that uk.rec.sheds would be all >>about? =20 >Actually, from this description I think uk.people.shed-users might be >much more appropriate. If any body tries to fast-track uk.rec.sheds now >I will definitely object, because I think I am right & every body else >is wrong. =20 And again, this shows up clearly in all your posts. =20 Alan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: spbsv1.smb.man.ac.uk (Stephen Bates) Alan.Holmesbrunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) writes: >In article mahayana.demon.co.uk>, > Simon Gray mahayana.demon.co.uk> wrote: >=20 > >Actually, from this description I think uk.people.shed-users might be > >much more appropriate. If any body tries to fast-track uk.rec.sheds now > >I will definitely object, because I think I am right & every body else > >is wrong. >=20 > And again, this shows up clearly in all your posts. Erm, Alan. I think he was doing an impression of your good self actually. I *very* good impression in fact. Steve :) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) spbsv1.smb.man.ac.uk (Stephen Bates) wrote: >Alan.Holmesbrunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) writes: >>In article mahayana.demon.co.uk>, >> Simon Gray mahayana.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >I will definitely object, because I think I am right & every body else >> >is wrong. >>=20 >> And again, this shows up clearly in all your posts. >Erm, Alan. I think he was doing an impression of your >good self actually. >I *very* good impression in fact. Look here, you chaps are jolly welcome to shedding, but I do hope this is not a hint of bickering I detect here. Dick Jackson has suggested before that shedding may have a dark underside. I resist this notion and would not like to think that this is the thin edge of the wedge. Jeff Drabble BTW, have you taken the trouble to vote *yes* for sheds.=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Thomas Lee psp.co.uk> In article mahayana.demon.co.uk>, Simon Gray mahayana.demon.co.uk> writes >Actually, from this description I think uk.people.shed-users might be >much more appropriate. No. That would be too narrow, as uk.rec.sheds would also include the hysical elements of a shed and where to find them.=20 > If any body tries to fast-track uk.rec.sheds now >I will definitely object, because I think I am right & every body else >is wrong. Well I think you're wrong. So there. :-) for the humour impared. Thomas --=20 Thomas Lee (tflpsp.co.uk) Unaccountably at home - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4gaqa8$ijdnrtphba6.bnr.ca> Melissa Porter= >So, the ability to shed properly is a sex-linked characteristic? In the modern world I like to think we can all acknowledge that everybody=20 exhibits aspects of both sexualities: men are no longer ashamed to cry in=20 public (thanks Gazza) etc, women have been known to adjust the tappets on=20 their car, and so on. While shedding does seem to be a male thing, no woman= =20 should be prevented from recognising her 'inner man'. But instead of carrying on the shed thread here, let's create the group and= =20 do it properly without cluttering up u.n.n.c. -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: msj6cpleeds.ac.uk (C.A. Higgins) In article mahayana.demon.co.uk> Simon Gray= >Actually, from this description I think uk.people.shed-users might be >much more appropriate. If any body tries to fast-track uk.rec.sheds now >I will definitely object, because I think I am right & every body else >is wrong. I just had to laugh when I read all these posts about "sheds". I have it on= =20 good authority that young boys in Derbyshire often refer to women's breasts= as=20 "sheds"!!! ---Cathy Higgins--- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: iainfbristol.st.com (Iain A F Fleming) In article leeds.ac.uk> msj6cpleeds.ac.uk (C.A. Higgins) wrote: >=20 > I just had to laugh when I read all these posts about "sheds". I have it > on good authority that young boys in Derbyshire often refer to women's > breasts as "sheds"!!! Well I never, there's interesting for you. And people say that the Internet is just full of people wibbling on about nothing. --=20 Iain A F Fleming =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) iainfbristol.st.com (Iain A F Fleming) wrote: >Well I never, there's interesting for you. >And people say that the Internet is just full of people wibbling on >about nothing. Mr Fleming, you appear to have grown confused. The "wibble" discussion can be found by scrolling upwards just a few headers. Thank you. Good evening. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: iainfbristol.st.com (Iain A F Fleming) In article <4gr2jn$hnicentral.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: > iainfbristol.st.com (Iain A F Fleming) wrote: > >Well I never, there's interesting for you. >=20 > >And people say that the Internet is just full of people wibbling on > >about nothing. > Mr Fleming, you appear to have grown confused. The "wibble" discussion= can > be found by scrolling upwards just a few headers. Oh, so it can. Wot I fule I be. Isn't the world becoming a complicated place. Yes, sheds - the place to escape to.=20 --=20 Iain A F Fleming =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) msj6cpleeds.ac.uk (C.A. Higgins) wrote: > I have it on good authority that young boys in Derbyshire often refer > to women's breasts as "sheds"!!! This is not entirely surprising when you begin to examine the parallels. Nurturing; soft; organic; calm inducing; given to eventual collapse; often having to be indulged in furtively; stood apart from the main body; fantasized about by young lads; and on . . . . . Both breasts and sheds represent sustenance, succour, and safe haven. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Frankacclaim.demon.co.uk (Frank Hendrix) sueshellx.best.com (Susan Spence) wrote: >1. I was in Yorkshire when the 1st bomb in the Docklands went off. > =20 >2. Bomb #2 in the west end inconvenienced me greatly but not as > much as it might have if it had gone off. Bastards. Had to > settle for a meal at Bloom's and a bagful of beigels instead > of a show. >As far as Lynch's modem, what are you talking about? I can't >possibly read all the outstanding messages in this newsgroup, >there were over 2000 when I got back. John Lynch claims his modem was stolen. It seems he lives in Yorkshire and ties in nicely with your location and date of arrival as at (1) above. The theory is that as he previously claimed never to have been burgled you decided he was not typical of people who live in Britain. However, John Lynch not withstanding, I still have neither ever been burgled and only personally know one person who has been. --=20 Frank Hendrix Purple haze is in my brain Lately things don't seem the same - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >In article <4g1fdb$22bis.bbsrc.ac.uk> Kim Niendorf= >>It's very good bait for toads. If you lay a trail of it >>along the path, you can lure them out from under garden >>sheds. Much safer than Picric Acid > **** >Been following the various shed threads on s.c.b.? >I have a feeling your knowledge of amphibian matters could provide useful= =20 >input there. They tend to get preoccupied with the structural and social aspects of shed ownership. Not one mention of the environmental consequences. I doubt whether they'd recognise a decent shed if one fell on their head. Have they *ever* looked *under* their sheds! It's a whole new world there. I'm just in the process of recovering the roof of mine. Fascinating eh? You wouldn't believe the variety of clout nails there are on the market these days. Wow! I could spend my whole saturday in Great Mills or Do-it-all. Kim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Susan Spence raynet.com> Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> wrote: > > [...toad stuff...] > >They tend to get preoccupied with the structural and social >aspects of shed ownership. Not one mention of the >environmental consequences. I doubt whether they'd recognise >a decent shed if one fell on their head. Have they *ever* >looked *under* their sheds! It's a whole new world there. The floors of our sheds are paved with flagstones so there's not much to see. We did find a salamander on the back steps last night however. =20 > >I'm just in the process of recovering the roof of mine. >Fascinating eh? You wouldn't believe the variety of clout >nails there are on the market these days. Wow! I could spend >my whole saturday in Great Mills or Do-it-all. > Lino makes a great roof covering for sheds. Our spare lino looks really nice standing up against the back wall of our wash house shed, but I think we could spare a piece for your shed if you'd like. We have three different patterns available. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Susan Spence raynet.com> wrote: >snip tailed amphibian stuff >Lino makes a great roof covering for sheds. Our spare lino >looks really nice standing up against the back wall of our wash >house shed, but I think we could spare a piece for your shed >if you'd like. We have three different patterns available. Two things here, Sue ; the concept of homes generally having "spare lino" is excellent ; secondly, you have displayed deep insight into the normally blokey subject of shedding. Lino roofs are simply the best of all possible roofs. The use of this material paints the owner as a deeply entrenched shedster with much to teach us all on this most satisfying of subjects. Jolly well done and I call for support in declaring you an honorary bloke. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: gt8624aprism.gatech.edu (William Sheldon Simms) In article <4gfvr8$hqkcentral.co.nz>, Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> wrote: >Susan Spence raynet.com> wrote: > >>Lino makes a great roof covering for sheds. >Lino roofs are simply the best of all possible roofs. And here I was thinking the best shed roofs were slate, shingle, or raised metal. What's going on?!? -Sheldon - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Christopher Watkins uffa.demon.co.uk> In article <4ggh94$s9gacmex.gatech.edu>, William Sheldon Simms prism.gatech.edu> writes >Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> wrote: >>Susan Spence raynet.com> wrote: >> >>>Lino makes a great roof covering for sheds. >>Lino roofs are simply the best of all possible roofs. > >And here I was thinking the best shed roofs were slate, shingle, or >raised metal. What's going on?!? > I thought any material was suitable as long as there were several holes =20 to let the rain in. Dampness is required to encourage the rust on your=20 tools and interesting growths of mould on the jacket hanging on the back of the door. Christopher - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> Christopher Watkins uffa.demon.co.uk> wrote: snip >I thought any material was suitable as long as there were several holes =20 >to let the rain in. Dampness is required to encourage the rust on your=20 >tools and interesting growths of mould on the jacket hanging on the back >of the door. > >--=20 >Christopher A well observed point, No good shed is complete without that faintly musty= =20 smell of decomposing wood. Ed - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) gt8624aprism.gatech.edu (William Sheldon Simms) wrote: >>Susan Spence raynet.com> wrote: >> >>>Lino makes a great roof covering for sheds. >>Lino roofs are simply the best of all possible roofs. >And here I was thinking the best shed roofs were slate, shingle, or >raised metal. What's going on?!? It's a matter of depth of commitment. The materials you mention are O.K as long as they create a leaky roof or some other fault, but the use of lino displays enormous sheddy imagination and must be heartily applauded. As a great sculptor "sees" his subject as already lying within a particular piece of rock, the great shedster "sees" shed written all over obscure materials which to the lay person, might pass for detritus. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> wrote: >I'm just in the process of recovering the roof of mine. >Fascinating eh? You wouldn't believe the variety of clout >nails there are on the market these days. Wow! I could spend >my whole saturday in Great Mills or Do-it-all. The use of materials purchased from retail outlets is generally frowned upon in sheddy circles. If you must call at these establishments, may I suggest that you do your shopping in their=20 dumpster. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Charles Bryant chch.demon.co.uk> In article <4g9kn9$osmis.bbsrc.ac.uk>, Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> wrote: >...I doubt whether they'd recognise >a decent shed if one fell on their head. However a decent shed is one which *dosen't* fall on your head. - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Charles Bryant chch.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article <4g9kn9$osmis.bbsrc.ac.uk>, >Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> wrote: >>...I doubt whether they'd recognise >>a decent shed if one fell on their head. >However a decent shed is one which *dosen't* fall on your head. I beg to differ ! A mass produced shed, all expensive, shiny and straight, doesn't fall on your head. The true shedster rightly *expects* his organically formed, "materials at hand" shed to fall=20 on his head and indeed will grow quite grumpy if it doesn't happen regularly. One is thus afforded the joyous opportunity to reconstruct using the materials in a completely different order. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> keith jacky.demon.co.uk.> wrote: >Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> wrote: >>keith jacky.demon.co.uk.> wrote: >>>richardr-senior.demon.co.uk (Richard Senior) wrote: >>>>Has anyone heard of a thing called the "Party Bus" operating in the >>>>Greater London area?=20 >> >>There's one round our way which takes you on a pub crawl. >> >>>is it accessible to wheelchair users? >> >>Is it accessible to someones who's just had 20 pints of lager >>shandy? >>Has it got a toilet 8-< >> >the difference is you choose to drink 20 pts of larger you don't choose >to be a wheelchair user > >inclusive transport for all > >keith I agree completely. The door to my shed has been modified for this very=20 reason. I only wish that the owners of buses, *especially* party buses were as concerned with access for toads. And by the way. I don't choose to get on the party bus - I have to have my arm twisted, honest. --=20 Kim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) ...or be forever bereft -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd +44 161 275 6033 fax 6040 D.Buddmcc.ac.uk =20 http://www.man.ac.uk:80/~zlsiida (getting better!) - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) wrote: >...or be forever bereft > >-- =20 > ...or something > =20 Hubba Hubba Hubba Vote Vote Vote This could be our chance to create a forum where all things sheddie could=20 be discussed with sincerity and respect. An NG where people can seek=20 solace for the soul and experience the restful and calming experinces=20 generated by a good shed. Ed - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Jo Walton kenjo.demon.co.uk> I'm for it too, but I bet that it'll get shunted over into the media=20 hierarchy, because sheds aren't recreational. --=20 Jo =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) In article <824940826snzkenjo.demon.co.uk>, Jo Walton= |> I'm for it too, but I bet that it'll get shunted over into the media=20 |> hierarchy, because sheds aren't recreational. Not only are sheds recreational, but they are also a lifestyle choice, a philosophy and a social focus. Basically they fit in anywhere. Simon.=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) wrote: >In article <824940826snzkenjo.demon.co.uk>, Jo Walton= >|> I'm for it too, but I bet that it'll get shunted over into the media=20 >|> hierarchy, because sheds aren't recreational. > >Not only are sheds recreational, but they are also a lifestyle choice, a >philosophy and a social focus. Basically they fit in anywhere. > >Simon. Incidenatlly, have you seen the article in this months Loaded about=20 sheds? It's a tour-de-force in the art of badly putting up a shed. Ed =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Alan.Holmesbrunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) In article <824940826snzkenjo.demon.co.uk>, Jo Walton kenjo.demon.co.uk> wrote: >I'm for it too, but I bet that it'll get shunted over into the media=20 >hierarchy, because sheds aren't recreational. You must come and meet my sheds! Alan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Susan Spence raynet.com> I am going to describe all my lovely sheds to you people so that nasty people like Dick Jackson will stop calling me "no-sheds". =20 * actually a barn, but not used as such for at approx 15 years. It is nicely furnished with old roofing materials and some rusting milk cans. It also provides a home for many types of wildlife including an owl, so there are all sorts of feathers and twigs all over the floor. The collapse of roof timbers is fairly imminent and we wonder somewhat laconically if we shouldn't arrange to remove the slates from the roof before they fall in and break. This summer perhaps, after we replace the bathtub, which will almost certainly then take up residence in one of our sheds. Just in case we need a cracked bathtub sometime in the future. * the "back room" which is actually part of an outbuilding behind our house which is mostly owned by our next door neighbor. Our house was originally the cart house for the farm house to which it is attached. When it was developed into a separate piece of property the owner at the time provided "shed rights" to a=20 portion of the nice big shed behind it. It holds old shoes and boots which have holes in them, an old bicycle, old kitchen cabinetry and a horse shoe and some old horse's teeth that we dug up in the garden.=20 * The wash house. This building is no longer used as such, but now contains old papers, lots of old lino, old rugs, an old sink, and the microwave which used to be in my house (one of our visitors must= =20 have decided to microwave a cat or something and wrecked it). There are several scythes and a sign which says "Caution: tractors" and a toilet cistern. A shoe last would be nice and we should probably get one from my husband's cousin, who used to make clogs until he realized that driving trucks pays far better. We have a progressive lefty neighbor from Essex who blames Thatcher for this but my husband pointed out that she didn't wear clogs so it was actually HER fault. * The hen house. Lots of firewood, bicycles, and a disused pit toilet which has been boarded over. Also an antique hatstand belonging to my sister-in-law, the rusting remains of a stove. An old sign for the village shop. No hens. =20 I had a visit to a most unsheddy-shed while I was there. My brother-in-law has built himself a new cowshed next to the "above ground swimming pool" (slurry store) and is it ever posh. Even has some sort of automatic shit-vacuum mechanism to eliminate the twice-daily task of scraping out the muck with a tractor. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: sspenceraynet.com (sspenceraynet.com) DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: > >In article <4gal5c$qjterinews.ericsson.se> Susan Spence wrote: >>I am going to describe all my lovely sheds to you people so that >>nasty people like Dick Jackson will stop calling me "no-sheds". =20 >> >>* actually a barn, but not used as such for at approx 15 years. > >Further descriptions of sheds deleted. > >Just where *are* these sheds? Your reference to your brother-in- >law together with your previous disclosures about your life in, and=20 >then hasty getaway from, Yorkshire make me suspect these are sheds=20 >you left behind in England. If so, your abandonment of said sheds=20 >would truly bring you down to my level, namely "no-sheds". I did not make a hasty getaway from Yorkshire and they are my sheds! Even when I lived in England full-time it was not possible for me to live right next to my sheds. They were my sheds when I resided in Ipswich and Rawdon, and they are my sheds still. Did=20 you think I sold them? Never. I'm looking forward to a wonderfully sheddy summer this year. =20 =20 > >If I am wrong, I apologise -- but very grudgingly. You can start with an apology however I think you ought to follow it up with expensive gifts, you jealous shedless person. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) In article <4gd607$329erinews.ericsson.se>, Susan Spence= |> DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: |> >Just where *are* these sheds? Your reference to your brother-in- |> >law together with your previous disclosures about your life in, and=20 |> >then hasty getaway from, Yorkshire make me suspect these are sheds=20 |> >you left behind in England. If so, your abandonment of said sheds=20 |> >would truly bring you down to my level, namely "no-sheds". |>=20 |> I did not make a hasty getaway from Yorkshire and they are my |> sheds! Even when I lived in England full-time it was not possible |> for me to live right next to my sheds. They were my sheds when |> I resided in Ipswich and Rawdon, and they are my sheds still. Did=20 |> you think I sold them? Never. I'm looking forward to a wonderfully |> sheddy summer this year. =20 Which implies to me that you are currently without immediate access to a= shed, which is a very sad state to be in, made worse by the fact that you are a multiple shed owner. You have my sympathies. |> You can start with an apology however I think you ought to follow it |> up with expensive gifts, you jealous shedless person. This is very unsheddy though. A true shedder would be far happier with a= rusty hand mower or a cherry picker with a broken handle than with expensive= gifts. I think you have been away from your shed for too long. Simon. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) wrote: >Which implies to me that you are currently without immediate access to a= shed, >which is a very sad state to be in, made worse by the fact that you are a >multiple shed owner. You have my sympathies. The sympathies are justly offered. Whilst in previous postings I have feigned a superior attitude regarding my possession of multiple sheds, truthfully it is a considerable burden to be undertaken only by those prepared to accept a life-long commitment to sheds. As I have pointed out earlier, I actually have 3 sheds proper and 8 supplementary or auxiliary sheds. My intention is not to boast, but to assure you of my profound commitment to shedding. >|> You can start with an apology however I think you ought to follow it >|> up with expensive gifts, you jealous shedless person. >This is very unsheddy though. A true shedder would be far happier with a= rusty >hand mower or a cherry picker with a broken handle than with expensive= gifts. I >think you have been away from your shed for too long. >Simon. I think Simon is right. We do understand that the lack of on-going shedal contact has left you anxious and bewildered. I advise 2 hours in the nearest available shed to restore equilibrium. =20 Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: >l >If so, your abandonment of said sheds=20 >|> >would truly bring you down to my level, namely "no-sheds". This matter of shedless souls has been troubling me and I am working on a solution. Working with my trusty 3D Home Design software, I am preparing plans for those like Dick and Gareth who have no space for a shed. The concept involves developing a half scale shed, incorporating all of the features of a fully fledged shed, but which one could erect in the front room. Ann Wiener set me on this line of thought when she tried to claim a room in her house as a shed.=20 Obviously a room per se is unacceptable, but a complete, albeit small shed, erected indoors, breaks so few rules that I believe it could be deemed acceptable. I'll go with popular opinion however, as this is a very new thing in shedding, so let me know immediately if there are any objections. I see all-weather shed soirees as an obvious benefit and also, on those occasions when you find you don't like people you've invited to dinner, it's only a few steps to the sanctity of the shed. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) >>>>> "Jeff" =3D=3D Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes: Jeff> DickJgnn.com (Dick Jackson) wrote: >> l >If so, your abandonment of said sheds=20 >> |> >would truly bring you down to my level, namely "no-sheds". Jeff> This matter of shedless souls has been troubling me and I am working Jeff> on a solution. Working with my trusty 3D Home Design software, I am Jeff> preparing plans for those like Dick and Gareth who have no space for a Jeff> shed. The concept involves developing a half scale shed, Jeff> incorporating all of the features of a fully fledged shed, but which Jeff> one could erect in the front room. Ann Wiener set me on this line of Jeff> thought when she tried to claim a room in her house as a shed.=20 I'm onto it, Jeff. I'm viewing a house tomorrow. It has the perfect town-house back garden. Perfect for a shed. It's about 20'x20' and paved. As yet no shed,= but that can be arranged. Is it possible to buy "used" sheds? I realise most would be reluctant to sell, but I don't want to deface the neighbourhood by having a shed which is sealed and has none of the required green mould camouflage... Yours in anticipation G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) wrote: >I'm onto it, Jeff. >I'm viewing a house tomorrow. It has the perfect town-house back >garden. Perfect for a shed. It's about 20'x20' and paved. As yet no shed,= but >that can be arranged. 20'x20' ! You could fit four sheds in there and be the envy of us all. >Is it possible to buy "used" sheds? I realise most would be reluctant to >sell, but I don't want to deface the neighbourhood by having a shed which= is >sealed and has none of the required green mould camouflage... You will generally only find them at estate auctions following the regretable death of one of our fellow shedsters. Normally a shedster would not dream of selling a shed, so the market is rather thin. Keep in mind though, that nicely seasoned componentry can be found quite readily. Ask your local council when they are doing their next bulk household collection and you can hire a truck and cruise the streets the night before, harvesting to your hearts content. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Jasper Merriweather ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <4hdj84$kvlcentral.co.nz>, Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes >20'x20' ! You could fit four sheds in there and be the envy of us >all. I've been staying out of this because I didn't want to seem to brag (you know -- mine's bigger than yours -- most unseemly) and also because I was earlier described as -- what was it -- a bedsit person? However, I can resist no longer. *I*'ve got a shed as big as Gareth's potential new garden. So there. And, just in case there isn't already enough of a shambles in there (and there is), rabbits bore up into it from time to time and create more. I've also got three other interesting structures that would be sheds if one side were not open, but these are used to store firewood and such, so would hardly count, anyway --=20 Jasper Merriweather - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Jasper Merriweather ldta.demon.co.uk> wrote: >I've been staying out of this because I didn't want to seem to brag (you >know -- mine's bigger than yours -- most unseemly) and also because I >was earlier described as -- what was it -- a bedsit person? Yes, well I've detected a note of truculence on your part since that comment was made, but it *was* explained. >However, I can resist no longer. *I*'ve got a shed as big as Gareth's >potential new garden. So there. And, just in case there isn't already >enough of a shambles in there (and there is), rabbits bore up into it >from time to time and create more. I've also got three other >interesting structures that would be sheds if one side were not open, >but these are used to store firewood and such, so would hardly count, >anyway The rabbits are good. Unfortunately size just does not count. It's what you do with it that counts. For instance, if you use it to house such an item as a Granada Scorpio, many demerit points could be incurred. BTW, I'm having a little trouble with the Jasper thingy. For some reason I see Jaspers as weedy geeks, and for some other reason I see you as having appreciable bulk. Perhaps a thumbnail GIF ? Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: spalbion.engr.sgi.com (Simon Patience) In article <4hi8nh$61bcentral.co.nz>, jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble)= writes: |> Jasper Merriweather ldta.demon.co.uk> wrote: |> >However, I can resist no longer. *I*'ve got a shed as big as Gareth's |> >potential new garden. So there. And, just in case there isn't already |> >enough of a shambles in there (and there is), rabbits bore up into it |> >from time to time and create more. I've also got three other |> >interesting structures that would be sheds if one side were not open, |> >but these are used to store firewood and such, so would hardly count, |> >anyway |>=20 |> The rabbits are good. Unfortunately size just does not count. It's |> what you do with it that counts. For instance, if you use it to house |> such an item as a Granada Scorpio, many demerit points could be |> incurred. |>=20 |> BTW, I'm having a little trouble with the Jasper thingy. For some |> reason I see Jaspers as weedy geeks, and for some other reason I see |> you as having appreciable bulk. Perhaps a thumbnail GIF ? Look at his web page and you will see that he is an appreciable geek. Simon. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <4hilgj$10mfido.asd.sgi.com>, Simon Patience albion.engr.sgi.com> writes >Look at his web page and you will see that he is an appreciable geek. I've got a Web page? Why did no-one tell me? --=20 John Lynch - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Jasper Merriweather ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <4hilgj$10mfido.asd.sgi.com>, Simon Patience albion.engr.sgi.com> writes >Look at his web page and you will see that he is an appreciable geek. > Arseholes --=20 Jasper Merriweather - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <4hi8nh$61bcentral.co.nz>, Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes > Unfortunately size just does not count. It's >what you do with it that counts. =20 A woman said that to me just the other day > >BTW, I'm having a little trouble with the Jasper thingy.=20 Oddly enough, she said that, too >For some >reason I see Jaspers as weedy geeks, and for some other reason I see >you as having appreciable bulk. Perhaps a thumbnail GIF ? I am, as you surmise, not a small person >--=20 John Lynch - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Jasper Merriweather ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <4hi8nh$61bcentral.co.nz>, Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes >For instance, if you use it to house >such an item as a Granada Scorpio, many demerit points could be >incurred. The car never goes into the shed. I *can* tell the difference between a shed and a garage, and I don't have a garage. Would *you* put a car in a shed in which rabbits dig holes in the earth floor? Also, the door is a shed door -- a bit of a bugger to get through carrying a bike, never mind driving a car While I'm talking to you, I heard on the radio today that more people watch netball in New Zealand than watch rugby. Can this conceivably be true? --=20 Jasper Merriweather - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: zlsiidafs1.mcc.ac.uk (Dave Budd) In article <4hi8nh$61bcentral.co.nz> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble)= writes: > Unfortunately size just does not count. It's >what you do with it that counts.=20 It's not the size it's what you do with it..... Now we know why the true shedder's wife is a happy person. Shedding really is a microcosm/macrocosm thing isn't it? -- =20 ...or something =20 Dave Budd=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Susan Spence raynet.com> wrote: Vast snip of excellent sheddy stuff >* The hen house. Lots of firewood, bicycles, and a disused pit toilet > which has been boarded over. Also an antique hatstand belonging to > my sister-in-law, the rusting remains of a stove. An old sign for > the village shop. No hens. >=20 >I had a visit to a most unsheddy-shed while I was there. My brother-in-law >has built himself a new cowshed next to the "above ground swimming pool" >(slurry store) and is it ever posh. Even has some sort of automatic >shit-vacuum mechanism to eliminate the twice-daily task of scraping >out the muck with a tractor. I say, Sue, you really are displaying quite awesome sheddiness these days. This post reaches new levels of shedding comprehension. =20 This cow-shed thing should be cleared up quickly though. You see, the users of cow-sheds, shearing-sheds, train-sheds and the like are mere pretenders to shed-dom. These are buildings with a commercial purpose and as such can never achieve shediness in the way we understand it. They have hijacked the name in an attempt to bestow some of that warm, comfortable, favourite-old-woolly-jumper feel to their cold, heartless existences.=20 The true shed is a very personal thing, like the jumper or an old shoe, it moulds to one, matching perfectly the folds and curves of ones body, so that whilst little movement within it is possible, one's comfort is assured through mutual adoption of a series complementary points in the time-space continuum. This, as you are evidently aware, is a very Zen thingy. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tjamesbgnet.bgsu.edu (James Stacey Taylor) In a previous article, jlynchldta.demon.co.uk (John Lynch) says: >In article <4hilgj$10mfido.asd.sgi.com>, Simon Patience >albion.engr.sgi.com> writes >>Look at his web page and you will see that he is an appreciable geek. > >I've got a Web page? Why did no-one tell me? Because you're a geek? =20 tjames. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article <4gkv7o$h8aixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, vivideoix.netcom.com writes; >My wife insists on feeding black marmite on toast. To my 2 young boys >for breakfast every morning. She also eats it herself and sometimes >makes a tea from it. As a yank, who was raised on the typical bland >diet in CA. I find the stuff disgusting ! >Her folks ship it to her by the case from Batley, England. She also >gets Bovril, which to me seems much the same thing, but thinner. She >has other strange eating habits also. Which she is instilling on our >boys. Such as putting brown gravy on french fries - yuk ! >Any enlightenment out there ? Deja vu. Wonder if Marmite tastes different when eaten in a shed. Can't answer from personal experience: can't ever remember having marmite, wifey won't let me have a shed since I demolished the last one trying to hammer in one nail too many. --=20 David John - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article <4gkv7o$h8aixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, vivideoix.netcom.com >writes >>My wife insists on feeding black marmite on toast.=20 >snip, snip >>Any enlightenment out there ? >Deja vu. Yes, David, d=E9j=E0 FAQ No9 vue. >Wonder if Marmite tastes different when eaten in a shed. Yes, it can be savoured free from distractions, and it gains a satisfying layer of machine oil and sawdust. >Can't answer from personal experience: > can't ever remember having marmite, > wifey won't let me have a shed since I demolished the last one > trying to hammer in one nail too many. Well wifey might have something there. Surely one nail is one nail too many in a shed.=20 Look, back to the FAQ; I have a plan so cunning etc......I think that s.c.b could maintain it's position up at the pointy end of newsgroups by providing what no other ng has yet dreamed of - the FGA. As is only proper, given its title, the s.c.b FAQ provides no answers. It is in fact, the only ng I know of which acts with such correctness. What is needed now, to balance things, is a Frequently Given Answers. In keeping with the high standard already achieved, these should not be the answers to questions posed in the FAQ, nor should they answer anything in particular, they should just be answers we see a lot on s.c.b. No ? Bit hard ?=20 Jeff Drabble _-- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: David John kglc.demon.co.uk> In article <4gr2lo$hpocentral.co.nz>, Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes >David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>In article <4gkv7o$h8aixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, vivideoix.netcom.com >>writes >>>My wife insists on feeding black marmite on toast.=20 >>snip, snip >>>Any enlightenment out there ? > >>Deja vu. > >Yes, David, d=E9j=E0 FAQ No9 vue. > Hey, Jeff, how did you manage to get the accents to show up? Much as I hate to say this following your excellent comments, advice and sheer hard brainwork on this topic: isn't there somewhat of a contradiction between your technical wordprocessing expertise and your sheddiness? Please, please reassure me that these two skills are not mutually exclusive. > >Look, back to the FAQ; I have a plan so cunning etc...... I love "cunning" plans - but only if they don't work. [please see Blackadder I et seq for examples provided by Baldrick] --=20 David John - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>Yes, David, d=E9j=E0 FAQ No9 vue. >Hey, Jeff, how did you manage to get the accents to show up? >Much as I hate to say this following your excellent comments, advice >and sheer hard brainwork on this topic: isn't there somewhat of a >contradiction between your technical wordprocessing expertise and >your sheddiness? Please, please reassure me that these two skills >are not mutually exclusive. Have no fear, all is well. You will note that I cocked it up by whacking an "e" on the end of "vu". >>Look, back to the FAQ; I have a plan so cunning etc...... >I love "cunning" plans - but only if they don't work. And all is well here. I don't believe for a minute that the plan will actually work. Therein lies its great beauty. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> Charles Bryant chch.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <4g9kn9$osmis.bbsrc.ac.uk>, > Kim Niendorf HRI.AC.UK> wrote: > >...I doubt whether they'd recognise > >a decent shed if one fell on their head. >=20 > However a decent shed is one which *dosen't* fall on your head. Opinion is divided on this. If a shed is in too good a state of repair then the "feel" isn't right. There has to be a certain state of disrepair and a few leaks in the roof for it to develop its own microenvironment. In my case, the roof felt is in dire need of replacement but I'm leaving it a few more weeks until the weather warms up and the shed becomes humid. But then, I'm very fond of shitaki mushrooms :) Kim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: dwsras.phy.cam.ac.uk (David Sawford) : > However a decent shed is one which *dosen't* fall on your head. : Opinion is divided on this. If a shed is in too good a state : of repair then the "feel" isn't right. There has to be a certain : state of disrepair and a few leaks in the roof for it to develop : its own microenvironment. In my case, the roof felt is in dire need : of replacement but I'm leaving it a few more weeks until the weather : warms up and the shed becomes humid. But then, I'm very fond : of shitaki mushrooms :) You want to see a decent shed? Take a look at: http://info.pitt.edu/~brianm/shed/shed.html Dave. http://info.pitt.edu/~brianm/shed/shed.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: jaeukix.netcom.com(Jennifer A. Henson) In <825507763snzjbark.demon.co.uk> Jeremy Barker jbark.demon.co.uk> writes:=20 > I have just been reading Fouler's short book on >Modern English Shed Usage<. > Fouler quotes approvingly of Shakespeare's final revision > of Hamlet and especially of the line > >Shed I, or shed I not: that is the question.<=09 Then of course there's the exhortation to storage of ripped tarpaulins:- "If you have tears, prepare to shed them now" .......And fond reminiscences of sheds past:- "Shed auld acquaintance be forgot..." .......And the only suitable end for an ex-pat shedder:- "If I shed die, think only this of me......." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) suenntp.best.com (Susan Spence) wrote: >Sheddy people should not be seen fixing *anything*. Not true, Sue. Shedsters should always be fixing things. It's just that they should never finish fixing them to a point where they actually work. Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --=20 From: John Lynch ldta.demon.co.uk> In article <4ho750$24ucentral.co.nz>, Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes > >Not true, Sue. Shedsters should always be fixing things. >It's just that they should never finish fixing them to a point >where they actually work. Do you know, I had never realised until this moment that my brother-in- law is a born shedster --=20 John Lynch - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) wrote: >suenntp.best.com (Susan Spence) wrote: > >>Sheddy people should not be seen fixing *anything*. > >Not true, Sue. Shedsters should always be fixing things. >It's just that they should never finish fixing them to a point >where they actually work. > >Jeff Drabble > I think the word we are looking for is tinker. Shedders always tike with=20 things, tinker with the lawn mower, tinker with the sprinkler, tinker=20 with the mysterious bit of jumbled wiring, tinker with the fabric of=20 space and time (asuuming the fullest conclusions of my theory of Shed=20 space, stop post, please await my grand unified theory of Sheds, Garages,=20 Attics, Under stair cupboards and Navel Lint). Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) >>>>> "Jeff" =3D=3D Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes: Jeff> Evans should be viewed with suspicion - he's in aquisition mode. Have no fear. The only aquisition I wish to make is a shed without a home. Should some poor soul be unable to maintain a shed in the manner to which it has become accustomed, I may be able to give it a good home. I'm not about to pop down Sue's and nab one of her sheds old bean. Yours are just too sodding far away (although a revisit would be welcome. Send tickets to the following address) G - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Susan Spence raynet.com> gevansmvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) wrote: >>>>>> "Jeff" =3D=3D Jeff Drabble central.co.nz> writes: > >Jeff> Evans should be viewed with suspicion - he's in aquisition mode. > >Have no fear. The only aquisition I wish to make is a shed without a >home. Should some poor soul be unable to maintain a shed in the manner to >which it has become accustomed, I may be able to give it a good home. > >I'm not about to pop down Sue's and nab one of her sheds old bean. Yours= are >just too sodding far away (although a revisit would be welcome. Send= tickets >to the following address) > You're welcome to try to nab one of ours. They're made of stone, so you'll either need a very big wagon, or be interested in taking a lot of 10 hour trips. Either way it'd be a nice hobby for you. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) David John kglc.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Dave Budd fs1.mcc.ac.uk> writes >>I once knew a girl called Davina, but not as well as I'd have liked. >You didn't call her "Dave", did you? >It sounds like a very sheddy thing to do but I wonder if it would have >gone down [no pun intended] all that well!! Oh, look, the Daves are having little Davey chats.=20 Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) jaeukix.netcom.com(Jennifer A. Henson) wrote: > (Susan Spence) writes:=20 >> >>Jeff Drabble (jefdrabcentral.co.nz) wrote: >>: Susan Spence raynet.com> wrote: >> >>: >This should go into the Shed Site. >> >>: Polite bit of spelling correction there, Sue. >> >>This is Not Done. >>Sheddy people should not be seen fixing *anything*. > Quite right. Particularly since it was NOT a spelling mistake! > It was a deliberate play on words:- > "Cite" - quote /"Site" - place for shed (if you're lucky.) >Geddit? I dunno - thought this was s'posed to be s.c.b., where such >explanations were unnecessary. =20 > Perhaps I'll go and look for those smileys I put out in the shed... Hey, whoa up there, Jennifer. I'm working on it. For goodness sake don't bring the smileys out. They'll have dust and metal filings in them anyway, so they might look a bit sad. I'm in the grip of an awfully ggod chardonnay at the mo. Can't even get the belly spell-checker to work. Jeff Drabble=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 From: Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> Jeff Drabble wrote: > Hey, whoa up there, Jennifer. I'm working on it. For goodness sake > don't bring the smileys out. They'll have dust and metal filings in > them anyway, so they might look a bit sad. >=20 > I'm in the grip of an awfully ggod chardonnay at the mo. Can't even > get the belly spell-checker to work. >=20 > Jeff Drabble Which year old son? And did you keep it in your shed? Ed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: jefdrabcentral.co.nz (Jeff Drabble) Ed Fowler gbccmail.lehman.com> wrote: >> I'm in the grip of an awfully ggod chardonnay at the mo. Can't even >> get the belly spell-checker to work. >Which year old son? And did you keep it in your shed? Hell, Ed, that post was three weeks ago. A lot of chardonnay has flowed across the dental work since then, but I do believe it was a '92 Te Mata Elston Charders from my neighbour's vineyard. I sent some up to Lynch, but he's proving a bit difficult to pin down for delivery, so if we can't get it to him, it will become yours. Can't store wine in the shed though, or the bloody possums get in and pee on it. Here's a tip for storage; get hold of the cardboard tube that forms the core of new rolls of carpet. It is slightly larger than the diameter of a wine bottle so the bottle will slide in nicely, then cut it to lengths a bit shorter than the bottles. Stack these pieces of tube in the space you deem to be your cellar and you will then find you can get at any bottle without disturbing the others. I've put a board under the front edge of the bottom row of tubes so that they slope slightly downwards to the rear, but this is only to stop the wine sliding out during earthquakes, so it may not be necessary up there.=20 I've risked getting my hand slapped for going off topic to bring you this important hint, so I hope you use it. Regards to almost all, Jeff Drabble - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - =20 --=====================_829325525==_ --=====================_829325525==_--